Re: Observant donk tips my hand
 

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What recourse does one really have when somebody at the table who is NOT in the hand makes observations out loud about physical tells?

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Recourse?

Do a little light reading.

I had one guy railbirding the game I was dealing last night speak up in the middle of the hand and try to give advice to a player yet to act with cards in his hand. Only thing you can do is try to rationalize with the offender and allow them to realize just how wrong it is what they are doing.

Turning emotional will get you no where. Some people just don't care, and will never stop being dumb and throwing their own opinion into the game when it isn't asked for and isn't wanted (or allowed). If it happens repeatedly, talk to the floor, it's their job to handle these matters.

Re: Observant donk tips my hand
 

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You go on tilt far too easily. You need to relax.

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Probably. I've been playing B&M regularly for about a year and a half and I've run into all types - even the ones that try to get in your head and tilt you. I don't mind:
* table coaches - Anyone who assumes they are smarter than me gives me an advantage
* donkeys who suckout - without them, we wouldn't have donkeys who pay off
* dealers who make mistakes - they're human

This one was just different. Maybe it was a mistake. Like I said earlier, I should have handled it differently, but she might as well have pulled chips off my stack and handed them to the other player. It's hard enough playing your opponents, much less your opponents plus whoever wants to chime in with information.

On reflection, if I have to play her again, I'm going to seat-change to her left. Don't know why I wouldn't want to play against a weak player. In the mean time, I'll keep working on that false shaky hands tell.

Re: Observant donk tips my hand
 

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Do a little light reading.

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I'm already the chatty one at the table. It's my personality. Adding a book might be dangerous! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: Observant donk tips my hand
 

I think she was in violation of the rules and could be thrown out of the card room. I would call the floor over and explain what happened.

Re: Observant donk tips my hand
 

Don't get emotional. Stay calm and logical. It's only one hand in your lifetime, it's not going to make or break you. Insist that the dealer enforce "one player to a hand". If no luck, go to the floor. If you find yourself playing sub-optimally, take a break.

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I actually apologized to the player later for the way I handled it. She in turn said that she was sorry "...that you thought it affected the play". I didn't say anything, but that pissed me off more.

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you're trying to make all nicey-nice with her and when she didn't give the exact kind of apology you were looking for you got even more pissed off?

Dude, relax.

Re: Observant donk tips my hand
 

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More likely the neck. It's kinda like the shaky hands tell. If you see a vein on somebody's forehead or neck throbbing, you know they have a monster or at least they think they do.

[/ QUOTE ]You could always wear a turtle neck, cap, and long sleeves to the casino. They're usually chilly anyway.

Re: Observant donk tips my hand
 

If she spotted a valid tell and chose to let you know that you have this tell, then you will benefit for every hand you play for the rest of your life. Unless you plan to give up poker in the near future, then she undoubtedly saved you more than $45. I would thank her for her generosity.

If I was playing against you and spotted a reliable tell, I would definately not tell you about it and would use it to extract as much money as possible from you. Would you prefer it if she took that approach instead?

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If she spotted a valid tell and chose to let you know that you have this tell

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Didn't think of it that way. Knew I need to find a way to get my pulse rate down in big hands, but thought it was only my hands that gave me away, so I guess I did gain new info.

As far as not getting the apology I wanted...first of all, I let it go and said nothing. Second of all, it wasn't any kind of apology. It was a way of saying, "this whole situation exists only in your mind and I'm sorry you can't tell the difference." I would have appreciated it a lot more if she said, "I didn't do anything wrong, but I won't do it again." I would disagree, but it would satisfy me to know that she won't rat me out any more.

As I think about it, this is a classic male vs. female way of dealing with things. I want to know that the problem will get fixed and she thinks it's all about feelings.

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If she spotted a valid tell and chose to let you know that you have this tell

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Didn't think of it that way. Knew I need to find a way to get my pulse rate down in big hands, but thought it was only my hands that gave me away, so I guess I did gain new info.

As far as not getting the apology I wanted...first of all, I let it go and said nothing. Second of all, it wasn't any kind of apology. It was a way of saying, "this whole situation exists only in your mind and I'm sorry you can't tell the difference." I would have appreciated it a lot more if she said, "I didn't do anything wrong, but I won't do it again." I would disagree, but it would satisfy me to know that she won't rat me out any more.

As I think about it, this is a classic male vs. female way of dealing with things. I want to know that the problem will get fixed and she thinks it's all about feelings.

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Agree that men are problem solvers and women are more interested in relationships in addition to / at the expense of, problem solving. Not sure its really applicable here.

Meh, I look at this like I look at Table Coaches. If a TC really thinks that I made a -EV play and wants to give me advice that will improve my play, then he is effectively handing me money (in his mind). I thank them for their generosity even though they are usually clueless idiots.

After all, its the thought that counts and they honestly think that they are giving me good advice which will cost them money and will benefit me. I just pretend that they handed me a $5 bill and react accordingly.