Re: Toughest hand I\'ve had in a long time. Ass end of straight 200BB deep
 

not that we are bluffing, I think this is a situation where we are the one getting the value

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Wow this is an insanely easy shove. Also, not raising flop is pretty bad.

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This is a great call on the flop IMO. Raising is ok, but there are a lot of hands that we can represent on the turn and we have a very hidden draw. There is also very little to representing by raising the flop.

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You misread the hand. We have no draw. We have a straight.

Re: Toughest hand I\'ve had in a long time. Ass end of straight 200BB
 

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Wow this is an insanely easy shove. Also, not raising flop is pretty bad.

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This is a great call on the flop IMO. Raising is ok, but there are a lot of hands that we can represent on the turn and we have a very hidden draw. There is also very little to representing by raising the flop.

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Flop call is okay for deception since the stacks are deep and we want to disguise our hand. But it is flat wrong that we can't rep anything with a flush draw. This is like the most coordinated board ever, and so hero can easily rep a wide range with a flop raise. So you should be raising this flop with a wide range anwyays, so it is a pretty easy raise when you have the 2nd nuts.

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Gross, he can easily have a set here. My god this is quite bad. Preflop I prefer re-popping.

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Why would you want to give up some of your positional advantage and re-open the betting, for a little bit of FE preflop? Especially this deep with a hand that is hidden?

Re: Toughest hand I\'ve had in a long time. Ass end of straight 200BB
 

I raise flop. As played, I probably just shove and hope to get a call from JJ or something like that.

Re: Toughest hand I\'ve had in a long time. Ass end of straight 200BB
 

Do you really think a set would risk giving a free card on the turn on such a draw heavy board?

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agreed shoudl have raise flop, only behind to KQ so you love this flop, i hope you never ever fold this again, plusif you are always that scared you definately fold to much! Turn is easy shove, he is strong so will proabably call which is what you want cause you are way ahead at his stage!

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yes. maybe a set shouldn't, but in practice a set often will.

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Do you really think a set would risk giving a free card on the turn on such a draw heavy board?

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Free cards are not that important when the pot is small and you have deep stacks behind. If he thinks you will often bet a draw or pair + draw in this spot then it is much more +EV for him to c/r the turn. If you indeed to check, it is not that bad because he is not going to make a huge mistake on the river with a set.

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Wow this is an insanely easy shove. Also, not raising flop is pretty bad.

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This is a great call on the flop IMO. Raising is ok, but there are a lot of hands that we can represent on the turn and we have a very hidden draw. There is also very little to representing by raising the flop.

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You misread the hand. We have no draw. We have a straight.

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yup, I totally misread the hand. My comments should be opposite, raising should be better because there are are so many draws that we may have, and few made hands.