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In limit, when someone check-raises you on the river, and you have a pair of 2s, you're beat. You can try and figure out if he spiked a set of 4s or a wheel, but it's mostly a waste of energy, just fold.

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I REALLY don't think this is where the thought process ends. Keep in mind he has to risk it being checked through with a monster. How often were you double barreling grim? I would say against me, you have to be an idiot to c/r this river with anything and I would ALWAYS calls. That doesn't make c/r'ing right though. A3 is the only hand that makes sense here, but only if you know what you have been betting 2 and 3 streets with.

Of course if you don't know this or he doesn't you really just have to fold IMO.

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Think it´s a tough fold to make as I´d probably expect him to lead with 44 or A3, so something weird like XXdd might be in his range often enough after the check-raise. On the other hand, he would need you to fold 25+% of the time to attempt a bluff here, which seems unlikely with the kinds of odds you will be getting.

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I'd call here. I'd just expect him to lead too often with a big hand. His hand just doesn't add up to anything sensible, and I have a pair.

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The only way you should call here in my opinion is if a bird flies over and sh!ts an extra 10BB into the pot. He has A3 a ton, 44 or 76 once in a while, and something that is worse than your hand virtually never.

Cartman

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I almost always fold here.

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anyone else HATE this river bet as much as me? Im pretty much always checking behind there. No worse hand is calling in that spot. You can only get c/r'd like you did, and that sucks. As played, easy fold IMO.

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anyone else HATE this river bet as much as me? Im pretty much always checking behind there. No worse hand is calling in that spot. You can only get c/r'd like you did, and that sucks. As played, easy fold IMO.

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ace hi will call almost 100% of time in that game 3 handed, ak is a value bet on that board

u go to foxwoods rich, im from boston 2
gl

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villian is unknown to me but i normally classify unknown as 'solid' or 'tag' until they prove otherwise.

i'm not a limit player predominantly but i am a decent NL handreader but this hand really puzzled me. i put him on ace high until he checkraised me. is it most likely he rivered a better pair and is going for a sick value cr? does anyone call here getting 8:1?

PokerStars Game #7704633935: Hold'em Limit ($50/$100) - 2006/12/31 - 22:49:25 (ET)
Table 'Veronika' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: wwbbd ($3090.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Grimstarr ($1925 in chips)
Seat 4: 7thKid ($1295 in chips)
7thKid: posts small blind $25
wwbbd: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Grimstarr [2c Qc]
Grimstarr: raises $50 to $100
7thKid: folds
wwbbd: calls $50
*** FLOP *** [2d 8h 8c]
wwbbd: checks
Grimstarr: bets $50
wwbbd: calls $50
*** TURN *** [2d 8h 8c] [5d]
wwbbd: checks
Grimstarr: bets $100
wwbbd: calls $100
*** RIVER *** [2d 8h 8c 5d] [4h]
wwbbd: checks
Grimstarr: bets $100
wwbbd: raises $100 to $200
Grimstarr:

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Call/fold depending on how I feel at the time (lean towards a fold.)...seems like a bad spot to almost always do anything.

~AS