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creedofhubris 11-09-2006 10:54 PM

Re: deepstack 25-50 hand vs jcmoussa
 
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up until this point i didnt think he was 3betting me as often as he should have, and i didnt want folding this one time to induce him into playing closer to what i thought was correct against me.

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You take the worst of it calling reraises OOP with hands like this one. I'm not sure you make up for it by a decreased frequency of reraises.

Put it this way: if some guy is calling my reraises with trash, and I've got position on him, I'm sure as hell not gonna stop reraising him.

raptor517 11-09-2006 11:33 PM

Re: deepstack 25-50 hand vs jcmoussa
 
umm, fwiw, im never folding pf here. ever. like, 0 in a bajillion times. sometimes i end up playing it like u did, call calling turn river. sometimes i call turn fold river. sometimes i lead turn. really depends, guess ya gotta be there. but pf is def fine dont listen to ppl saying fold thats just ridiculous 17k deep. with all the history or whatever id probably end up paying off river since u have such a laggy image, and if u callbox down a few hands ppl will be less prone to bluff you etc etc. holla

cts 11-10-2006 12:09 AM

Re: deepstack 25-50 hand vs jcmoussa
 
raptor's advice is good. Anyone saying to fold preflop for $400 more $17k deep with a suited ace... lol. I'd probably fold the river though.

FoxwoodsFiend 11-10-2006 12:34 AM

Re: deepstack 25-50 hand vs jcmoussa
 
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raptor's advice is good. Anyone saying to fold preflop for $400 more $17k deep with a suited ace... lol. I'd probably fold the river though.

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JC doesn't exactly get that 17k in too often, and he's not going to get flushed vs. flushed too often given how tight his range is here.

SA125 11-10-2006 12:47 AM

Re: deepstack 25-50 hand vs jcmoussa
 
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your logic is bad/wrong and you are approaching poker in a bad/wrong way. what range of hands do you put villain on and what does betting accomplish against each hand in that range?

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What's so hard here donkey? Instead of continuing to question the logic/line I suggested, just explain your thoughts on the hand. You seem to be pretty sure about what's bad poker. Explain the right approach to the hand on the turn and why.

Criticizing without having the courtesy to take a logical position of your own is just trolling. It's lame. If you're trying to help, or pointing out what's wrong, explaining your thoughts on the right line is the way to do it.

MDMA 11-10-2006 12:48 AM

Re: deepstack 25-50 hand vs jcmoussa
 
Gawd, it's so basic and self-explanatory that nobody cares explaining it Sa125.

BobboFitos 11-10-2006 12:53 AM

Re: deepstack 25-50 hand vs jcmoussa
 
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what % of the time should i call this?

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either 100% or 0%, and I lean to 100%

BobboFitos 11-10-2006 12:55 AM

Re: deepstack 25-50 hand vs jcmoussa
 
yeah, for those speaking about the implied odds here, its not like when we hit the nuts JC goes broke

in a game such as this though id fold pf too, let jc take it down

TStoneMBD 11-10-2006 12:56 AM

Re: deepstack 25-50 hand vs jcmoussa
 
how could you say 100% of 0%? it seems like its definitely a matter of frequencies. if i always call or always fold im exploitable.

BobboFitos 11-10-2006 12:57 AM

Re: deepstack 25-50 hand vs jcmoussa
 
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how could you say 100% of 0%? it seems like its definitely a matter of frequencies. if i always call or always fold im exploitable.

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I didnt say 100% of 0%, that would be 0%. I said one or the other is always correct

BTW, if that makes you exploitable... wow. The decision to call or fold here is ALWAYS correct or ALWAYS incorrect...


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