Re: maybe too opponent specific to get a constructive thread
 

sam,

first thing i thought was raise.

second, call.

third, fold.

it's all terribly flow dependent though. i saw your results. doesn't change my answer.

matt

Re: Results
 

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I posted this hand, because I feel a reasonable argument can be made for all three of the possibilities - calling, folding, or raising (as a bluff of course). I chose to call, but in retrospect, I think folding and raising might be better options. The result was kind of interesting: he had the other two threes.

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hmm intresting. sick value bet.

Re: Results
 

i agree w matt i think

Re: Results
 

so we're repping an 8 with a raise?

Re: Results
 

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I posted this hand, because I feel a reasonable argument can be made for all three of the possibilities - calling, folding, or raising (as a bluff of course). I chose to call, but in retrospect, I think folding and raising might be better options. The result was kind of interesting: he had the other two threes.

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hmm intresting. sick value bet.

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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but it's obviously a bluff to get out some other mid-pairs. I don't think he feels like you'd look him up here with AK high - would you?

Re: maybe too opponent specific to get a constructive thread
 

i'd prefer to raise here.

Re: Results
 

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I posted this hand, because I feel a reasonable argument can be made for all three of the possibilities - calling, folding, or raising (as a bluff of course). I chose to call, but in retrospect, I think folding and raising might be better options. The result was kind of interesting: he had the other two threes.

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hmm intresting. sick value bet.

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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but it's obviously a bluff to get out some other mid-pairs. I don't think he feels like you'd look him up here with AK high - would you?

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if 33 is a call, so is AK. they're obviously not identical here since 33 is counting on AK being shown a good amount, but they're pretty damn close.

Re: Results
 

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I posted this hand, because I feel a reasonable argument can be made for all three of the possibilities - calling, folding, or raising (as a bluff of course). I chose to call, but in retrospect, I think folding and raising might be better options. The result was kind of interesting: he had the other two threes.

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hmm intresting. sick value bet.

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More like bad bluff.

Re: Results
 

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I posted this hand, because I feel a reasonable argument can be made for all three of the possibilities - calling, folding, or raising (as a bluff of course). I chose to call, but in retrospect, I think folding and raising might be better options. The result was kind of interesting: he had the other two threes.

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hmm intresting. sick value bet.

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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but it's obviously a bluff to get out some other mid-pairs. I don't think he feels like you'd look him up here with AK high - would you?

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if 33 is a call, so is AK. they're obviously not identical here since 33 is counting on AK being shown a good amount, but they're pretty damn close.

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Even though AK may be a better hand than 33 to float with, paradoxically it's way more likely in my experience that players will float with small pairs rather than overcards. A lot of players seem to give up with AK because of the possible reverse implied odds of continuing past the flop.

Re: maybe too opponent specific to get a constructive thread
 

Sam,

Against opponent described raise less pf and see flops with position and a stack behind.

And yeah, if opponent is good i like a fold more than a call in the hand.

but its close and as you said arguments for calling, folding and raising could be made althoguh i dislike raising.