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bottomset 09-27-2006 12:36 PM

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 
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And if he calls and plays poker after the flop?

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I was just showing that even if you are always behind, 50/50 when your push is called, its not necessarily a -EV push

that squeezing has drawbacks if the original raiser is willing to gamble

if you just call preflop, you often are in trickier spots postflop anyway

slickss 09-27-2006 01:02 PM

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 
If called, hero would be behind. I doubt that AQ or JJ would call a third raise PF.

If so, pushing would really be the same as bluffing with ATC.

slickss 09-27-2006 01:05 PM

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 
If A/K hits and he doesn't get scared, he probably has you beat.

Stacheman 09-27-2006 01:32 PM

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 
Is there any consideration to what the two players left to act will do? If we call here, do we not allow them into the pot with pretty good odds? Is that something that we want in this case, or not? I'm pretty sure that if we are going to play this, we want to be heads up. I'm not sure that pushing into this villain is the best play here. What do you guys think of a raise to $40? This should be enough to push the two cold callers out, but is not so much that if the villain pushes, we can't fold. If villain calls, we bet a safe flop aggressively.

slickss 09-27-2006 02:04 PM

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 
If they call, they are still paying a lot to see a flop where their hands are probably ranked 3rd or 4th. I would be afraid they called the 20$ and hit a small set on the flop.

Let's say Hero calls the 20$ and one more player calls, 3 to the flop. Flop is like 3 7 9 - usually a good flop for QQ. Here however, you could be looking at a set for the caller and a higher pocket pair for the raiser.

bobman0330 09-27-2006 02:45 PM

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 
I think this is a pretty straightforward push. Put the fear of God into these foolios.

carnivalhobo 09-27-2006 03:02 PM

Re: p0000sh preflop with QQ? 100NL 6max
 
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If called, hero would be behind. I doubt that AQ or JJ would call a third raise PF.

If so, pushing would really be the same as bluffing with ATC.

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except that QQ has more equity against AK and JJ


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