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Moonshine 08-23-2006 07:38 AM

Re: 2K6m. tricky TPTK OOP.
 
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I never see big pairs played like this preflop in blind battles.

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In a blind battle is one place where I almost always 4-bet AA/KK.

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right but since i'm also 4 betting other hands as well, my 4 bet range is fairly wide in blind battles and get called a decent amount. Therefore I dont mini 4 bet with AA and KK and make larger raises with them or call before this poitn and slowplay the flop. These mini raises to me always scream "look i'm representing a big pair without risking too many chips"

Moonshine 08-23-2006 07:40 AM

Re: 2K6m. tricky TPTK OOP.
 
I think the small 4 bet is especially not optimal out of position since people often talk t hemselves into calling it and then you miss the flop 1/3 the time and find yourself lost, first to act with a big pot on your hand

Big_Jim 08-23-2006 07:42 AM

Re: 2K6m. tricky TPTK OOP.
 
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These mini raises to me always scream "look i'm representing a big pair without risking too many chips"

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Question, of course, is how we think an unknown thinks about it.

Like I say, I'm not really sure, it's not a situation I've dealt with.

C/c just seems so unlikely to induce a bluff, to me, so if I thought his range might be wide, I'd go ahead and push, and hope he makes a hero call on me, while preventing an ugly [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] river card from killing our hand.

Moonshine 08-23-2006 07:45 AM

Re: 2K6m. tricky TPTK OOP.
 
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These mini raises to me always scream "look i'm representing a big pair without risking too many chips"

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Question, of course, is how we think an unknown thinks about it.

Like I say, I'm not really sure, it's not a situation I've dealt with.

C/c just seems so unlikely to induce a bluff, to me, so if I thought his range might be wide, I'd go ahead and push, and hope he makes a hero call on me, while preventing an ugly [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] river card from killing our hand.

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i dunno, villain has to be somewhat scared of hero having a big pair, the board is frightening, and yet he's still in the pot on the turn. what the hell hand is he then calling our push with that we beat? i just think it's a bit of a spew after the way the rest of the hand has gone

Big_Jim 08-23-2006 08:06 AM

Re: 2K6m. tricky TPTK OOP.
 
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These mini raises to me always scream "look i'm representing a big pair without risking too many chips"

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Question, of course, is how we think an unknown thinks about it.

Like I say, I'm not really sure, it's not a situation I've dealt with.

C/c just seems so unlikely to induce a bluff, to me, so if I thought his range might be wide, I'd go ahead and push, and hope he makes a hero call on me, while preventing an ugly [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] river card from killing our hand.

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i dunno, villain has to be somewhat scared of hero having a big pair, the board is frightening, and yet he's still in the pot on the turn. what the hell hand is he then calling our push with that we beat? i just think it's a bit of a spew after the way the rest of the hand has gone

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C/f, but push blank river if it checks through? Maybe a smaller value bet (sick odds to fold to a raise, though). You think this increases his calling range much?

TheWorstPlayer 08-23-2006 08:54 AM

Re: 2K6m. tricky TPTK OOP.
 
Looks perfect to me. I push turn here with a lot of hands, this one included.

Dan BRIGHT 08-23-2006 09:18 AM

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WTF gives with that bitchy little 4-bet?

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I agree. I think I owuld 4bet to 500 total.

Asx played if you shove turn, I dont think villain folds midpocket pair with a diamond like ever. Same goes with 9x with a diamond. 9x no diamond might have to run their timer down a bit though.

AZK 08-23-2006 09:31 AM

Re: 2K6m. tricky TPTK OOP.
 
put it in, he will call you with a pair+diamond.

TheWorstPlayer 08-23-2006 09:32 AM

Re: 2K6m. tricky TPTK OOP.
 
Everyone who is critiquing preflop play is wrong. Betting bigger is ok, but OP's line is perfectly fine. Stop being idiots, please. He's not giving odds to hit a set, so if he had AA here, his re-raise size would be fine. So it's fine with AQ.

duckman 08-23-2006 11:06 AM

Re: 2K6m. tricky TPTK OOP.
 
Push
You ain't going anywhere and his most likely holding given play is a lower pair plus a diamond or Overcards with a diamond.


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