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True North 08-22-2006 07:53 AM

Re: Flopped trips facing turn bet
 
Let's change the situation. What size river bet would villain have to make for us to consider folding?

registrar 08-22-2006 07:59 AM

Re: Flopped trips facing turn bet
 
More or less any river bet and I would consider folding but I don't think any bet makes me actually fold.

mornelth 08-22-2006 09:29 AM

Re: Flopped trips facing turn bet
 
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bet the river

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SHOVE the river some percentage of the time, too...

Beachman42 08-22-2006 09:42 AM

Re: Flopped trips facing turn bet
 
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Let's change the situation. What size river bet would villain have to make for us to consider folding?

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No river bet would cause me to fold. Pot = my stack here. I cannot be behind 66% of the time due to how we got here. Honestly, I'd alternate between value betting ~2,500 (less than 50% of my stack) and pushing here looking like a missed draw. As Nath stated, I don't think we are behind here often enough to not extract more chips.

d240t 08-22-2006 03:02 PM

Re: Flopped trips facing turn bet
 
I wouldn't fold this river to any bet either.

It is possible your opponent has a "worse" 9 - which unfortunately is a chopping 9. But it is also possible he did not believe you had a 9 on the flop (the tendency in low buy-in tourneys is for people to slow play it). Once he checks the river, you should be almost positive you have the best hand (I am) and you should clearly bet.

My analysis would repeat Nath's, except I'd include the possibility of many hands that aren't as good - slowplay bluffs from the flop and middle pairs that protected against a possible flop bluff by betting the turn.

If I was your opponent (which I wasn't), I'd be likely to have a wide range of hands after check-calling a late position bet in a multiway pot on a paired board and betting out the turn, including many bluffs and semi-bluffs. But if I checked that river, I would almost never have a hand that beats you outright.

Oh...and I'd be even more sure you are ahead if you have been losing a lot lately (as your cold-decked comment indicates). You losing a lot lately may give you the image of a fish, indicating he is less likely to believe your flop bet indicates a 9.

Sherman 08-22-2006 03:07 PM

Re: Flopped trips facing turn bet
 
Yeah, raising his turn bet seems like -cEV. He either folds his xT to your obvious trips or he goes A/I with a better kicker than you.


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