Re: kk hand
 

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but you also get an extra bet from AQ sometimes


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AQ will not check this river.

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I meant he will "sometimes" raise when we bet the river.

Re: kk hand
 

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I like it.

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Specifically, what do you like better about the calling down? Something in my gut really wants me to believe its better, but I'm sure I wouldnt do it. Probably becuase I suck.

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Give villian a range.

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A8+ A5s+ T9+ 89s+ 55+, against a TAG in the SB. I guess he doesn't know that we are a tag so you could tighten it up slightly.

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Re: kk hand
 

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I like it.

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Specifically, what do you like better about the calling down? Something in my gut really wants me to believe its better, but I'm sure I wouldnt do it. Probably becuase I suck.

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Give villian a range.

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TT+, AK, AQ

So check/calling means we get action from TT (though hell probably check the river), lose 2.5 BB's to AA, QQ, JJ. Probably get a bet from AK on every street, though he has 6 outs. And get 1 bet from AQ on every street.

Re: kk hand
 

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but you also get an extra bet from AQ sometimes


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AQ will not check this river.

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I meant he will "sometimes" raise when we bet the river.

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But he will "always" bet it. You earn a fraction of a bet when he "sometimes" raises AQ but lose a full bet to every other hand that raises the river.

Re: kk hand
 

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but you also get an extra bet from AQ sometimes


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AQ will not check this river.

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I meant he will "sometimes" raise when we bet the river.

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But he will "always" bet it. You earn a fraction of a bet when he "sometimes" raises AQ but lose a full bet to every other hand that raises the river.

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Thank you Kwaz. Really.

Re: kk hand
 

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I like it.

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Specifically, what do you like better about the calling down? Something in my gut really wants me to believe its better, but I'm sure I wouldnt do it. Probably becuase I suck.

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Give villian a range.

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TT+, AK, AQ

So check/calling means we get action from TT (though hell probably check the river), lose 2.5 BB's to AA, QQ, JJ. Probably get a bet from AK on every street, though he has 6 outs. And get 1 bet from AQ on every street.

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AA (6 combos)
KK (1)
QQ (3)
JJ (3)
TT (6)
AK (8)


You're ahead of 14/26 and 1 tie. You never have the equity to raise here.
Raising is the worst thing you can do. TT probably folds, AK calls and probably folds the river, the rest 3spank you.

It's the same equation on every street. If you're really lucky, you might get a river bet from TT or even AK.

NH Dave.

Re: kk hand
 

Thanks Kwaz.

I was running on instinct for this hand.

OOC, assuming that this guy knows that I'm a TAG:

1) What range should he cap with PF?

2) What range will he cap with PF?

--Dave.

Re: kk hand
 

Grunch

What about donking the river?

Re: kk hand
 

Dave C,

out of curiosity, did you play this so passively because it was 10-20?

Re: kk hand
 

so i was talking to CDC about this hand and after a lot of deliberation we decided that betting the whole way and calling down if raised (instead of c/c all the way down) is the best way to play this hand. this way we insure that a bet goes in on every street and even if we are raised we still have a good chance of being ahead. also, if your opponent has AK, he is going to take a free card on one of the streets a lot of the time.