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Befolder 05-01-2006 06:09 PM

Re: Best line for non-nut flush on four flush board?
 
Thanks. I'm obviously missing some value on my flushes here.

Any difference if the board is paired as well as two of my suit? Still bet, or more likely to check there?

tiltaholic 05-01-2006 06:21 PM

Re: Best line for non-nut flush on four flush board?
 
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Thanks. I'm obviously missing some value on my flushes here.

Any difference if the board is paired as well as two of my suit? Still bet, or more likely to check there?

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i'd still bet, in general, though a paired board will tend to make people fold more and on a paired board i'd view that as a good thing.

Befolder 05-01-2006 06:24 PM

Re: Best line for non-nut flush on four flush board?
 


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i'd still bet, in general, though a paired board will tend to make people fold more

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Good point. I'd rather take this pot down now than have to hit my 35%er.

OnePatheticLoser 05-01-2006 06:44 PM

Re: Best line for non-nut flush on four flush board?
 
Tilt,
What would you do if you bet your four flush on a normal or paired flop from EP and 2 players call and then you miss your flush on the turn? Bet again and call if raised? What if only 1 player calls the flop bet?

Dustangel 05-01-2006 06:51 PM

Re: Best line for non-nut flush on four flush board?
 
I can only be reasonably beat by a better flush with that board, as the board is rags and two pair with full draw is unlikely

As for the better flush, there are 3 diamond cards higher than our J (which could make a better flush) and 6 diamond cards lower (which would make a worse flush)
Even after you account for the fact that face cards are played more often it doesn't give you anything less than 50% that your flush will be best, and again that's only if you believe there's another flush draw around (which is something like 20-25% I believe)

All that doesn't make the pot odds a lot worse, so I'd want to cap that flop anyway, as raises/reraises would only indicate Q pairs with high kickers to me

Actually the only thing I'm not sure about is whether raising will drive out some random Ad who can otherwise see a diamond on the turn and stick around threatening a better flush or this will only make his pot odds better for calling your turn bets

Dustangel 05-01-2006 06:59 PM

Re: Best line for non-nut flush on four flush board?
 
I'm not tilt but I can offer my 2 cents as well

on a paired flop I'd bet again (if pot odds better than my flush draw)
if raised I'd fold if and only if there's a paired flop and I believe the villain got his full from the turn (meaning the pair and the turn card are not random rags), and call otherwise

johnnytt 05-01-2006 07:08 PM

Re: Best line for non-nut flush on four flush board?
 
Grunch

Hand one: bet flop against 7 people only need a few callers to make this profitable . . . you have flush draw and BDSD

I play the rest the same.

Hand two--I check/call river


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