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Scorpi084 08-24-2007 07:18 AM

Re: 25NL OESFD against agressive idiot
 
No FE on the turn, I hate your push.
bet turn, and fold if he raises enough to chase you from drawing. You have a good hand on the flop, but not on the turn.

dnord 08-24-2007 09:25 AM

Re: 25NL OESFD against agressive idiot
 
Yeah, that $26.70 raise (the third bet on the turn) pretty much kills whatever enthusiasm I have for drawing to non-nut outs. I'm spending time these days telling myself "there's plenty of time, he's not standing up, you can find a better spot" against dudes like this.

whyzze 08-24-2007 09:33 AM

Re: 25NL OESFD against agressive idiot
 
Bet flop for value,

Bet turn for scarecard FE/semibluff.

and bet more on the flop...bloat the pot for your draw. I think checkraising anywhere in this hand is horrible.

members_only 08-24-2007 12:00 PM

Re: 25NL OESFD against agressive idiot
 
I think many people in this thread have underestimated the value of a turn c/r given OP's read that villain will call him light on the flop and auto-bet the turn if checked to

I don't know if that ace is the best card to do it on though

Danielmk 08-24-2007 12:18 PM

Re: 25NL OESFD against agressive idiot
 
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Bet flop for value,

Bet turn for scarecard FE/semibluff.

and bet more on the flop...bloat the pot for your draw. I think checkraising anywhere in this hand is horrible.

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Why is C/R horrible? Especially on the turn???
I think he has some FE on hand like kj qj or a OESD T8.
I am not saying that the lead bet on the turn is a bad play because is not, but the C/R will chase away many hands that beat you, qq,tt,jx with x>t.
He may think you flopped a set and fold these hands.
Just my 2 cents.

whyzze 08-24-2007 12:31 PM

Re: 25NL OESFD against agressive idiot
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Bet flop for value,

Bet turn for scarecard FE/semibluff.

and bet more on the flop...bloat the pot for your draw. I think checkraising anywhere in this hand is horrible.

[/ QUOTE ]
Why is C/R horrible? Especially on the turn???
I think he has some FE on hand like kj qj or a OESD T8.
I am not saying that the lead bet on the turn is a bad play because is not, but the C/R will chase away many hands that beat you, qq,tt,jx with x>t.
He may think you flopped a set and fold these hands.
Just my 2 cents.

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If he is going to call me down light then I would rather bloat the pot and make my hand and have him pay me off than bluff off my stack as a dog.

The ace is a great card to make a near PSB on because it carries some FE for us, not much less than a check raise IMO. The board is very coordinated and not to mention none of our outs are clean. If we bet turn and he raises then a fold is in order, this hand doesn't have as much equity as it appears to.

syn 08-25-2007 02:35 PM

Re: 25NL OESFD against agressive idiot
 
Thx guys

but yeah like i said, i knew that if i would check, he would auto bet with anything probably and given he size of his bet on the turn just made me even more inclined to c/r it

makes sense though
flop im strong, and i should probably make a psb
turn, i lose a lot of equity, i understand now

but for further info, against what type of player or what type of conditions it ever a good idea to c/r semi bluff the turn? never?


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