Re: Some akward turn spots
 

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i agree with what you said but i dont see how this leads you to conclude that we have 12 outs against any hand that is shoving for value here


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Vs KQ/KJ/QJ
A- 2 outs
T - 4 outs
6 outs to hit aces up

2+4+6 = 12

Re: Some akward turn spots
 

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i agree with what you said but i dont see how this leads you to conclude that we have 12 outs against any hand that is shoving for value here


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Vs KQ/KJ/QJ
A- 2 outs
T - 4 outs
6 outs to hit aces up

2+4+6 = 12

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mother [censored]... thx for the schooling, i forgot about the T

Re: Some akward turn spots
 

1: b/c or shove
2: easy b/f
3: b/c

Big Jim is on the money as usual.