Re: one more pf. qq for azk
 

i rarely ever fold QQ pf at 2/4, and i wouldnt here. Just know that even if you're wrong your mistake vs most ranges is a small one, and be happy you shouldnt see this situation again for 500K hands or so.

Re: one more pf. qq for azk
 

"I think ur 3bet is alittle too small OOP esp with the limpers added dead money tho tbh. Id go like 110-120 probably ( a Pot size raise would be 120ish and OOP u'd much rather raise more than that rather than less) "

you may be right. i was just using the ub bet pot button.

"(unless I had a read he could 4 bet light)"

see thats the thing. its nearly impossible in nl to get this read unless i continually call him light. then when do i give him credit? after seeing aces 5 times in a row? sample size of shown down hands is just too small in nl.

Re: one more pf. qq for azk
 

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eff stacks 530

56/7 limps. 36/15 raises to 27 on button. i make it 90 with qq from the bb. limper calls !?!?!?! and now button pushes?????

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Revisiting this one.

The 56/7 could have any 2 pieces of cheese, and if you call will probably call with lots of pocket pairs and hands like AJ. You're way ahead of his range.

The button's range is probably much tighter, but even if he's squeaky tight it's probably no tighter than AA-KK/AK. Against that range, QQ is a 2:3 dog.

But when he pushes the pot becomes (260+90+90+90)=530, and it's 260 for you to call. So you're getting about 2:1 on a 2:3 shot, so that's why you have to call. The possibility that the UTG fish will come with 77 makes it just that much more important for you to call.

Re: one more pf. qq for azk
 

Just to be unambigious, let's do a little math.

The correct decision here, or any time in poker, is the decision with the highest EV. Folding has an EV of zero by definition. So if calling is +EV, you have to call.

Assuming we are a 2:3 dog and are getting 260:530, and that the fishy limper will fold, the EV of calling is:

EV = (chance to win * $ won) - (chance to lose * $ lost)
= (0.40 * 530) - (0.60 * 260)
= 212 - 156
= +56

Re: one more pf. qq for azk
 

"But when he pushes the pot becomes (260+90+90+90)=530, and it's 260 for you to call."

huh, i raised to 90 and he pushed so its 420 for me to call.

you make a good point that if i call limper will be very enticed to overcall with whatever cheese.

Re: one more pf. qq for azk
 

LOL oops! Dyslexia strikes again, I though eff stacks were 350

Re: one more pf. qq for azk
 

scratch that, looks like it was just bad math♠

Re: one more pf. qq for azk
 

So, 420 to win 720 -- need ~37% equity HU to call and you have 40% against AA-QQ, AKs, AKo.

The 56/7 donk helps your odds--he will call AQ, 88, etc, frequently after putting in 90.