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Ansky 10-28-2007 04:50 PM

Re: Very interesting 100-200 hand. Need all the help i can get!
 
i think timex called because he had a fullhouse!

hardkAre 10-28-2007 05:16 PM

Re: Very interesting 100-200 hand. Need all the help i can get!
 
you don't hit a full house too often!

Ansky 10-28-2007 05:21 PM

Re: Very interesting 100-200 hand. Need all the help i can get!
 
btw, i dont think this call is standard or anything, but certainly not out of the question.

When he check calls flop and turn, zupp is prob following thru w/ air on the riv, and i think timex prob thought that w/ ace high zupp would check behind slightly more often on the turn. Not sayin this is true but its prob wat timex was thinkin.

hardkAre 10-28-2007 05:23 PM

Re: Very interesting 100-200 hand. Need all the help i can get!
 
terk?

ActionJeff 10-28-2007 05:57 PM

Re: Very interesting 100-200 hand. Need all the help i can get!
 
this rly isnt a very interesting hand

Timex probably should have folded preflop , especially with the structure of this tournament. As played he hit a boat and c/c down. His river call was probably -ev vs most players but if he was convinced his opponent was shoving his entire range and playing a standard range on the button then it was +ev for sure, although this is a big assumption

find a better hand mabe?

Nezzar 10-28-2007 06:04 PM

Re: Very interesting 100-200 hand. Need all the help i can get!
 
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i think timex prob thought that w/ ace high zupp would check behind slightly more often on the turn.

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this is key to timex river call.

Lefort 10-28-2007 06:11 PM

Re: Very interesting 100-200 hand. Need all the help i can get!
 
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i think timex prob thought that w/ ace high zupp would check behind slightly more often on the turn.

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this is key to timex river call.

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I agree with that... but what makes this a vvv tough call to make (and fold for me unless I'm really feeling it) is that Zupp's VBing range should still be 99+.. fairly large.

Nezzar 10-28-2007 06:15 PM

Re: Very interesting 100-200 hand. Need all the help i can get!
 
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this rly isnt a very interesting hand

Timex probably should have folded preflop , especially with the structure of this tournament. As played he hit a boat and c/c down. His river call was probably -ev vs most players but if he was convinced his opponent was shoving his entire range and playing a standard range on the button then it was +ev for sure, although this is a big assumption

find a better hand mabe?

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I disagree with you. Im doing a follow up on an almost identicall hand except that the results are the reversed. i think there are many levels of thinking in both hands...

As for folding pre-flop i think u have misunderstood the structure completly.

NLSoldier 10-28-2007 06:42 PM

Re: Very interesting 100-200 hand. Need all the help i can get!
 
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btw, i dont think this call is standard or anything, but certainly not out of the question.

When he check calls flop and turn, zupp is prob following thru w/ air on the riv, and i think timex prob thought that w/ ace high zupp would check behind slightly more often on the turn. Not sayin this is true but its prob wat timex was thinkin.

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totally agree.

ActionJeff 10-28-2007 09:27 PM

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I disagree with you. Im doing a follow up on an almost identicall hand except that the results are the reversed. i think there are many levels of thinking in both hands...



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well, you're wrong.

I'm sure timex himself can come post here and tell you no one is folding 77 on that board w/that action on the flop or turn, and that he decided to call the river because he thought the guy was bluffing more than 1/3 the time. That's it.

Poker is rarely that complicated guy, you picked a bad hand.


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