Re: Too weak in 3bet pot?
 

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I probably shove flop

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For value? From what hands? For protection from 6 outs?

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It's not just protection against 6 outs. Assume he has absolutely nothing, 22 for example. He doesn't have 2 outs, but actually up to 14 depending on how you plan on playing your hand. He obviously has his 2 real outs, but A/K are perfect scare cards that he can usually push you off since he can easily represent them whereas it makes little sense for you to show up with one. And the Q is even somewhat of a scare card - but he may or may not bluff on that, and it also depends on if you plan on stacking on a Q.

Re: Too weak in 3bet pot?
 

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I probably shove flop

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For value? From what hands? For protection from 6 outs? I hadnt seen anything crazy from this guy but I assume his range isnt only monsters here but I still dont think there r many (if any)hands that look me up that I have beat, still though, it feels like im constantly getting pushed out of these 3bet pots so maybe I do need these adjustments, does any1 call river?

[/ QUOTE ]He's 22/19 and we have an OP in a 3-bet pot...this is for value and protection.

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I agree that if hes aggro and has a hand with no showdown value then a q, k and a are all scary cards that hell bluff me with, but when u say the shove is for value - what hands do u expect to call? I think just saying "I have an op in a 3bet pot and should therefore get it in" is wrong. But im not saying I shouldnt shove, just saying it should be more for protection than value if I did. Do u guys call this river as played?