Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

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Pretty standard calldown, assuming this guys stats are over a lot of hands. I think a fold PF might be good though.

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I think calling your whole stack off is pretty awful here...

Id usually play it the way you did, though a flop fold is quite possible.

Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

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Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

The day I fold this pre is the day I quit poker...not a chance in hell.

Is he 18/12 at five handed? I might find a fold on a flop like that cause you're hunting AK/AQ otherwise, but no way I call the turn. Still, enough funny stuff goes on and five handed is getting into that area where I notice even the tighter TAGs opening up and playing a bit more so I don't think the way you played it is too bad..

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Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

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How can you fold preflop? Looks like a good spot to play for set value. This tightwad will never drop a big pair, which he has here every time... definitely fold the flop, though.

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ummmm..if we are folding this flop, calling preflop is ----EV

Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

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How can you fold preflop? Looks like a good spot to play for set value. This tightwad will never drop a big pair, which he has here every time... definitely fold the flop, though.

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ummmm..if we are folding this flop, calling preflop is ----EV

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umm....no it isn't. learn math.

Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

I think this laydown is extremely bad. Folding set should be very rare, especially in this situation. I have folded set a few times and I can begin giving you a situation where you can fold set. I was sitting with 5s5h in CU. UTG raises 5xBB, I call and button calls aswell. The flop is Kh 6d 5c. On flop UTG checks, and I lead out with a 75% potbet. Button calls, and UTG doubles me. I call, and button aswell. Turn is 4c. UTG bets strong and I call, but button goes all-in. UTG calls! I then fold my set! UTG has KK and button has 78. This is a situation where set can be folded fairly easy, but these situations don't occur so often! In your case it is EV- to put FI on either 44 or 33. These hands are the only hands that kill your ducks and in threeway action it is very rare. Believing Fi has flopped str8 is a great long shot and if someone were to have done this, you still have about 35% chance of winning the hand! The only right thing to do is to put in your chips on flop!

Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

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he will never drop a big pair? he will not drop QQ on a KJx board or KK on a AJx? how about a Jxxx fourflush or fourstraight? how about AA on AJx? how about AK on Jxx?

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Yes of course. But this is a moot point -- this is allways a problem when hoping to flop a set and stack someone.

It's the fact that villain will be far less likely to flop unimproved overcards compared to a looser re-raiser that makes us more likely to get his stack.

Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

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How can you fold preflop? Looks like a good spot to play for set value. This tightwad will never drop a big pair, which he has here every time... definitely fold the flop, though.

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ummmm..if we are folding this flop, calling preflop is ----EV

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umm....no it isn't. learn math.

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Feel free to tell me where my maths is wrong. Here

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Add to that him having AK and missing or him having KK and an ace flopping or him having QQ and A or K flopping is look VERY -EV to me

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I have a really hard time to figure out on what hand this guy is putting hero on.