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unless the "casually" is a tell that you can say he's stronger and doesn't 3 bet his good hands...

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Casually meaning he didn't think about 3-betting pre-flop at all.

Garland

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i'd stick with my 11 bet theory.

raise again. if he raises. raise again. if he raises. call down.

this is a dream spot with a guy like this. make the most of it. if he has tens, he'll get a lot of money. his range though, given his previous actions and tendencies as you've described them doesn't appear to me to be narrowed in on top set just yet.

at 11 bets though, i' dhave to consider that he for some crazy reason just decided to call TT in the bb preflop and now went crazy with it.

Barron

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I guess it keeps you out of trouble, but it seems to be giving up too easily for 1 bet when you already called 2 cold in a heads up pot with a marginal hand. My game is a lot higher variance, but I never fold a pair on the flop heads up, I let my opponent give me a chance to win the pot, not fold in a spot my opponent will bet close to 100% of the time.

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So if somehow you found yourself cold calling OTB with 55 after a TAG raised UTG+1, you'd continue on a AKx flop? Really????? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

It doesn't matter if he bets 100% of the time cuz his range is so far ahead of yours at this point.

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I guess it keeps you out of trouble, but it seems to be giving up too easily for 1 bet when you already called 2 cold in a heads up pot with a marginal hand. My game is a lot higher variance, but I never fold a pair on the flop heads up, I let my opponent give me a chance to win the pot, not fold in a spot my opponent will bet close to 100% of the time.

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So if somehow you found yourself cold calling OTB with 55 after a TAG raised UTG+1, you'd continue on a AKx flop? Really????? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

It doesn't matter if he bets 100% of the time cuz his range is so far ahead of yours at this point.

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I wouldn't get in that spot preflop...but if you are, why not give yourself a chance to outplay his QQ or JJ when he checks the turn...

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Personally, I stop at 6 or 7 unless there is a reason to continue (the other is drunk, a totally horrible player, crazy, etc.). In this case there was an additional reason to stop raising, I think, that you left out of your post. Perhaps you didn't remember it. I think that maybe you didn't catch it's import while being caught up in the action.

2 more things: I've seen the game better but I thought it was ok. Villain in this hand is very good for the game. He just ran insanely hot. Absolutely insanely hot. The other night, however, he was re-buying every 20 minutes.

It was very nice to meet you and I wish you all the best. Folks, if you come out to CAZ please let us locals know. Every single 2p2'r that I've met has been worth meeting. We can be proud of the community from what I've seen. Every player has a great attitude and observes what I consider proper poker etiquette and is fun to have at the table.

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He also called me a car mechanic last night...

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The only real hand to worry about is tens, and it seems strange that he'd just call preflop, and also not check raise the flop w/ it.

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Actually he does lead out with his strong hands as well (doesn't slowplay), so it's not as strange for this guy.

Garland

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I guess it keeps you out of trouble, but it seems to be giving up too easily for 1 bet when you already called 2 cold in a heads up pot with a marginal hand. My game is a lot higher variance, but I never fold a pair on the flop heads up, I let my opponent give me a chance to win the pot, not fold in a spot my opponent will bet close to 100% of the time.

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So if somehow you found yourself cold calling OTB with 55 after a TAG raised UTG+1, you'd continue on a AKx flop? Really????? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

It doesn't matter if he bets 100% of the time cuz his range is so far ahead of yours at this point.

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I wouldn't get in that spot preflop...but if you are, why not give yourself a chance to outplay his QQ or JJ when he checks the turn...

[/ QUOTE ]Because it's really costly and won't work nearly often enough to be profitable. If you called with 55 hoping to catch a good flop, you didn't. You caught just about the worst flop you could imagine. Let it go.

I tend toward a more high-variance game as well (showdown monkey), but when a TAG cbets with AKx on board, you don't have to try to win every pot. If you fold and he shows a bluff, smile and tap the table.

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But since her hand was against me, I wouldn't call myself a straight forward TAG...I seem to mix it up more than most. But as I said originally, it does keep you out of trouble just by folding. So I see and agree with your side as well.

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He also called me a car mechanic last night...

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At least he said you're a BMW mechanic and offered you side-work. Those guys should make a decent paycheck, I'd think. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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In this case there was an additional reason to stop raising, I think, that you left out of your post. Perhaps you didn't remember it. I think that maybe you didn't catch it's import while being caught up in the action.


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Just curious, Howard, what are you referring to here?

thx,
dan