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levAA 11-28-2007 06:03 PM

Re: $4/180 - Final heads up hand
 
I think you played it well up to the river.

Preflop call is fine.

Calling the flop is good. Turn as well.

But you should have checked behind on the river, what hands did you think would call your bet that you can beat. At least fold to his raise on the river.

TJ Eckleburg12 11-28-2007 06:06 PM

Re: $4/180 - Final heads up hand
 
Am I the only one who hates the flop call?

Position, top pair, gutshot, builds fold equity for later streets... if he's calling he's probably chasing his overcards.

He didn't raise preflop, so I'm not putting him on an overpair or A6. This is also probably the point in the hand where our equity is highest.

I think not raising the flop is a big mistake.

westhoff 11-28-2007 08:18 PM

Re: $4/180 - Final heads up hand
 
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I think you played it well up to the river.

Preflop call is fine.

Calling the flop is good. Turn as well.

But you should have checked behind on the river, what hands did you think would call your bet that you can beat. At least fold to his raise on the river.

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shutEMdown 11-28-2007 08:20 PM

Re: $4/180 - Final heads up hand
 
agreed

shutEMdown 11-28-2007 08:20 PM

Re: $4/180 - Final heads up hand
 
[ QUOTE ]
Am I the only one who hates the flop call?

Position, top pair, gutshot, builds fold equity for later streets... if he's calling he's probably chasing his overcards.

He didn't raise preflop, so I'm not putting him on an overpair or A6. This is also probably the point in the hand where our equity is highest.

I think not raising the flop is a big mistake.

[/ QUOTE ]

agreed

hamnegger 11-28-2007 08:45 PM

Re: $4/180 - Final heads up hand
 
hes checking the river. omg check behind eithe you are way ahead or way behind. what is the point of betting? and you cant call. yes you blew it

slik 11-28-2007 08:59 PM

Re: $4/180 - Final heads up hand
 
I think everything is standard until the river (heads up is all about the player, so only you know if your flop / turn call is good). Your river bet as a bluff is fine. Once he c/r you, I would throw the hand away, but if he made a hero call with 77 or some nonesense more power to him.

magneticskull 11-30-2007 04:12 PM

Re: $4/180 - Final heads up hand
 
I disagree with the "Never fold SB Heads up" theory. Pot odds may seem to justify a call, but using only pot odds heads up gives away all your edges (position, card selection, reads, etc...) and turns poker into a slot machine.

So many otherwise great players suddenly want to just "get lucky" heads up instead of playing the game. It hurts my head. Sure variance is sick heads up. But you can still use your edges. (and in many ways, they are greatly magnified).

Pot odds are great. Pot odds help decision making. But they are nowhere near the only factor. Even heads up.

Killingbird 11-30-2007 05:49 PM

Re: $4/180 - Final heads up hand
 
DEF raise the flop...you'll find out then and there where you stand and wont have to be spewing on the rest of the streets.

Call pre is fine IMHO.


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