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crunchi 11-26-2007 02:05 AM

Re: 200NL - Strangeish line against clown
 
This looks ok. I think a river fold is also ok considering that you rep a lot of strength on the turn. Its unlikely he bets a 7 or missed draw IMO. However, he only needs to do it 25% of the time for this to be a call so i like a call too, lol.

NH.

Casper05 11-26-2007 12:47 PM

Re: 200NL - Strangeish line against clown
 
make it 75 on the turn and fold to a shove...for the same reasons you minraised the turn because he's still calling and you're more likely to get to showdown.

I think the river is a fold....really only because I dont think he ever expects us to fold to that size of bet after we raise the turn.

vetiver 11-26-2007 12:50 PM

Re: 200NL - Strangeish line against clown
 
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In addition, I think the turn raise keeps him honest; I'm repping a monster imo.

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If you think he thinks and you're repping a monster to him and he's donking the river the correct read is to fold. As played I crying call then get really pissed off and end my session after he turns up A3.

EDIT: besides pf stats have you seen him donk streets previously? If it's typical of him I'd say you can justify calling.

djj6835 11-26-2007 12:55 PM

Re: 200NL - Strangeish line against clown
 
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make it 75 on the turn and fold to a shove...for the same reasons you minraised the turn because he's still calling and you're more likely to get to showdown.

I think the river is a fold....really only because I dont think he ever expects us to fold to that size of bet after we raise the turn.



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I would still call the river. If we are beat it is most likely to something like A3. These type of players are idiots and will do stupid random stuff when they realize they can't win at showdown regardless of the action leading up to the river.


edit: I think the fact that we minraised the turn makes this more of a call.

Suigin406 11-26-2007 12:56 PM

Re: 200NL - Strangeish line against clown
 
i got that u were checking behind on all rivers, but river is a fold as played imo

Paul Thomson 11-26-2007 12:57 PM

Re: 200NL - Strangeish line against clown
 
GRUNCH

is the turn miniraise an attempt at a cheap showdown? if so, I think it's fine and it'll probably get some value out of worse hands, so i like it. I hate it if you're trying to fold out a 9.

river is tough. does he ever have a 3 by the river--given flop and turn action? (maybe cause he sucks...but who knows.)If he had a big hand before the river, he's surely raise the turn.

the question is what is the intention of the flop bet? the size is weird because he's obviously capable of donking much smaller. So I don't think he'd make a blocking bet this big with a smaller pair.

Instead, I think his river bet is either a value bet (with a 3 or weird played FH) or a bluff of a missed straight. Given the turn action, I think the river call is pretty good. (although i'd like a river call alot more if u had pocket 66)

Nick Royale 11-26-2007 12:59 PM

Re: 200NL - Strangeish line against clown
 
I like making it 60ish on the turn for a free sd. Fold to a push obv.

Djeorge 11-26-2007 12:59 PM

Re: 200NL - Strangeish line against clown
 
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In addition, I think the turn raise keeps him honest; I'm repping a monster imo.

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So why did you call the river?

Paul Thomson 11-26-2007 01:01 PM

Re: 200NL - Strangeish line against clown
 
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In addition, I think the turn raise keeps him honest; I'm repping a monster imo.

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So why did you call the river?

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cause villain's hand doesn't add up. we only have to be good here a small % of time. and the villain sucks and thinking on the river can be "oh damn, my straight didn't get there, i can't win by checking down, i have to bet to win" (while conveniently forgetting what the hero was repping on the turn.)

Nick Royale 11-26-2007 01:01 PM

Re: 200NL - Strangeish line against clown
 
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In addition, I think the turn raise keeps him honest; I'm repping a monster imo.

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So why did you call the river?

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Yeah really, if you're going to raise the turn you can't call the river imo. In that case calling the turn is better, which is a reasonable line if you're uncertain about how villain would react on the turn to a raise.


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