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Chicago Twister 11-16-2007 12:12 PM

Re: NL100: AKs OOP against limp-call
 
Usually a medium pair. 55, 66, 88-TT mostly. Sometimes a weak or moderate draw. Almost never a really strong hand. This is usually a marginal hand, or a hand that will become marginal on a lot of turn cards.

Daddy Warbucks 11-16-2007 12:14 PM

Re: NL100: AKs OOP against limp-call
 
Calling a raise OOP with A high to most likely have to run a multistreet bluff is pure spew.

Chicago Twister 11-16-2007 12:25 PM

Re: NL100: AKs OOP against limp-call
 
lol ok, nice recitation of the company lines

Aquadougs 11-16-2007 12:38 PM

Re: NL100: AKs OOP against limp-call
 
Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $59.95
Hero (SB): $102
BB: $37.85
UTG: $98.50
MP: $187.80
CO: $113.78

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $1, 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($11) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $16</font>, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($43) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $38.64</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $81 and is All-In</font>, UTG calls $38.86 and is All-In

River: ($198) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $198 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Fours) and LOST (-$98.50 NET)
UTG showed 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pairs, Sixes and Fours) and WON $195 (+$96.50 NET)

I thought my turn checkraise was profitable against his fold% and range, so i did that raise. And i checked because I thought he would pot control it. Maybe I should bet the turn? Since his turn bet was so high, i thought it couldnt be a valuebet.

Did I have a good line at turn?

Chicago Twister 11-16-2007 12:41 PM

Re: NL100: AKs OOP against limp-call
 
No, I dont think that was a good turn card for you to make a move on. You're looking for cards that make him re-think the value of his hand. Broadway cards.

Aquadougs 11-16-2007 12:41 PM

Re: NL100: AKs OOP against limp-call
 
Against a 66 he had to fold more often than 3% of the time to make my turn raise profitable. But would a bet been more profitable?

spivey 11-16-2007 12:47 PM

Re: NL100: AKs OOP against limp-call
 
He's always calling this turn after he bets because of "pot odds". You could lead, but I think he's calling a lead on this turn too.

This is why you don't try to bluff donks.

Chicago Twister 11-16-2007 12:53 PM

Re: NL100: AKs OOP against limp-call
 
I missed that the turn gave you the NFD. And I think your math is wrong, he needs to fold closer to 20% for your push to be BE. And it needs to be just a hair more than that anyway because you're not just playing against a mid pair. Your pair outs might not be good. Really close to 20 tho.

You can call tho I believe.

Sorcerer808 11-16-2007 01:00 PM

Re: NL100: AKs OOP against limp-call
 
^^^
I don't think villain will pay us off if we hit river and lead it. I don't like c/c turn.

Aquadougs 11-16-2007 01:04 PM

Re: NL100: AKs OOP against limp-call
 
I have 29,54% equity.

F = Minimum profitable fold percentage
W = Equity (29,57%)
P = How big my push is copared to the size of total pot (0,98)


F =

P(1-W) - W(P+1)
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P(1-W) - W(P+1) + 1


F = 0,098

He have to fold more often than 9,8% of the time to make my semibluff push profitable.


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