Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shani
 

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btw preflop is really bad, and i love how ppl use "its deepstacked" as an excuse to play horribly bad preflop poker.

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Incidently, I agree, but I don't mind raising this hand in early position like 50-100xBB deep when the table is tight and you can steal or take it down with a cbet with 7 high. This hand has some value and it adds unpredictability to your play. But you really want to raise it when stealing the blinds is valuable.

Here you just wind up OOP in a 5-way pot with a junk hand.

Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shani
 

Is vanessa capable of making this raise with 77/99?

I would shove here, if she is such a rock she is not going to be calling with 79 OOP

Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shani
 

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Is vanessa capable of making this raise with 77/99?

I would shove here, if she is such a rock she is not going to be calling with 79 OOP

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she's getting 7:1 and the stacks are deep, of course she calls with 97 (suited or not).

Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shani
 

I hope that's sarcasm, calling oop if you're vanessa rousso is horrid there with 97.

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I hope that's sarcasm, calling oop if you're vanessa rousso is horrid there with 97.

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you're prob right that its -EV for her to call there.

but I dont know much of his play but I imagine the very most ppl would call for the additional 100, at least if it was suited so taking it out of her range is out of the question.

Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shani
 

She's calling with 72s, let alone 97s, I'm just saying that it's not particularly good to be calling there with a ride range just because you're deep. In the sb that's a huge disadvantage, not an advantage.

Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shani
 

She is also making the same raise with 88 on the flop to define her hand.

Im not folding 2nd nuts here, its a clear shove IMO

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She's calling with 72s, let alone 97s, I'm just saying that it's not particularly good to be calling there with a ride range just because you're deep. In the sb that's a huge disadvantage, not an advantage.

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alright, never said calling was a good play just that I think most players do, however I actually thought she was in BB (not SB) which makes it a little different and the possibility that she mucks 97o (and to some degree 97s) higher.

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I haven't played with Vanessa in a long time, but back when I last did (Feb '06), she was a rock.

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Vanessa is anything but a rock. If anything, she errs on the side of putting chips in the pot, not playing too tight.

Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shani
 

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btw preflop is really bad, and i love how ppl use "its deepstacked" as an excuse to play horribly bad preflop poker.

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Glad someone else said it first. I always see these posts and think to myself "really?" But then again, I never flop straights, so maybe its just me. In my life, when I try this move some nit sitting behind me reraises to 1200 PF.