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ASPoker8 11-21-2007 10:39 PM

Re: thoughts on these hands
 
call
raise
shove
call

Clayton 11-21-2007 11:28 PM

Re: thoughts on these hands
 
1. call
2. i think this is actually a fold, because i know crea8ve's game sorta and his flatcall looks weird as hell.
3. gotta send it imo against a random
4. valueraise just seems too think, people find numerous excuses to fold JT given postflop action

Eagles 11-21-2007 11:39 PM

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4. i probably just call the river; i think you could get JT to fold to the raise, but AJ wont.

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WTF they are pretty much the exact same hand.
BTW I think shoving hand 3 is a massive spew, call is way better. Folding might be better than shove.

WarDekar 11-21-2007 11:52 PM

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hand 4 is for value. if you check the bet sizing i made it 640 preflop and by the river he's only betting 480. doesn't it seem like he would bet more with Kx or QT? i was pretty sure he had a jack or 9 and if i can successfully narrow him down to that then i'm only behind one hand with JQ. is this a reach?

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The problem is I think you're getting called by that one better hand far more often (every time he has it) than you get called by a worse hand (he's folding most non AJ Js and 9s almost every time)

AGame18 11-22-2007 05:37 AM

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BTW I think shoving hand 3 is a massive spew, call is way better. Folding might be better than shove.

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Calling is not an option here. He's raising to 630 with 1300 or so behind which means he's shoving any turn and there's at least 4 cards you're not gonna want to see. Not sure if shoving is better than folding (though I lean towards shove vs. random and pray for 55-99) but I don't see how you can ever profitably flat call.

1. Fold, but calling seems fine as well
2. Raise/call
3. Shove
4. Call

Unphased 11-22-2007 06:57 AM

Re: thoughts on these hands
 
1. Fold
2. Shove
3. Shove
4. Call

I am pretty sure hand two is a very straight forward shove. I can't imagine playing it any other way, and folding seems bad.

shaundeeb 11-22-2007 07:06 AM

Re: thoughts on these hands
 
1 fold AQs I call
2 I shove 5xer has 15bbs I want to iso him with some dead money. I am semi afraid of creatives flat but I don't think its AA/KK enough to not get your stack in there PF
3 call/call
4, I like the river raise on paper a lot but I tend to just be like I call I prob have best hand. I think I miss a lot of river value when blockbet into. I always feel like raising makes him fold worse but call better when we know aejones loves his 2 way bets and this could be one. But if we do bet I like a slightly larger one that screams missed spades so make it like 2k. Then I think 910 calls as well on the river.

registrar 11-22-2007 07:12 AM

Re: thoughts on these hands
 
I'm a bit confused by position in #1. If we're MP1, then I fold. OTB, I probably call.

overthaline 11-22-2007 07:22 AM

Re: thoughts on these hands
 
call
1k
shove
i likey

AcTiOnJaCsOn 11-22-2007 10:46 AM

Re: thoughts on these hands
 
although it sounds ambitious with ur history on hand 1 i think its bets to 3 bet/call a shove even with 40 bbs deep this guy seems like he can 4 bet light.
2. raise/call
3. all in
4. river is to thin, dont liek it


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