Re: Big blind special, ugly turn card in large pot
 

IMO you have to bet the turn. I hate being against three others here too but the sb's chances of having a straight are severely diminished since he checked the turn on this board (although he's retarded and retarded players do make dumb checkraises, i know).

Plus, we've got an apparently unretarded raiser in the mix whose range should be Ax/QJ/KT. So we're most afraid of the CO and we just have to suck it up and bet since there are a bunch of worse two pair hands that will call and a bunch of counterfeiting cards that come on the river and cost us money against hands that would fold the turn.

-Michael

Re: Big blind special, ugly turn card in large pot
 

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Plus, we've got an apparently unretarded raiser in the mix whose range should be Ax/QJ/KT.

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nope. The MP raiser folded on the flop for one more bet. CO is left in the pot. He called 2 cold on the flop and called the 3rd flop bet too. On flop I thought he either had an ace, a pair+ a draw, or a flush draw. I think CO is probably folding his ace, but never folding his other hands.

Also, I don't think it's that retarded to try for a CR with a ten after I 3bet. I mean, I 3 bet a scary flop, which implies I am very strong.

The thing is that I always have to pay 2 when I am behind, and I often am. All of the hands I want a call from will fold for 1 more bet on the turn, and none of them that I want to fold will fold.

Also, the pot is not ginourmous at this point, so it's not utterly imperative to FEUER FREI here.

Re: Big blind special, ugly turn card in large pot
 

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is anyone betting the river if SB checks?

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Yes. If that happens neither one of them hase the nuts and you have no reason to think you're beat. He's not trying to c/r after whiffing the c/r on the turn. The other villain doesn't check behind the turn with the nuts against 2 players. I may pay off a raise as well.

Re: Big blind special, ugly turn card in large pot
 

you can bet-fold this turn without much worry. or bet-call and fold the river when you dont fill. you should call the river. you should raise pf against this field they will have some pretty retarded hands much of the time so you make those sklansky dollars yum yum.