Re: 25/50 I have a set, river 4 flushes and I call?
 

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when you say he will check back with moderate showdown value, do you consider A7 no spade a hand with showdown value?

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Re: 25/50 I have a set, river 4 flushes and I call?
 

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when you say he will check back with moderate showdown value, do you consider A7 no spade a hand with showdown value?

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Why wouldn't it?

Re: 25/50 I have a set, river 4 flushes and I call?
 

i dont know the dynamic of the game, but i doubt he ever has A7o here. likely made hands for him, are big Kx suited, KKs, QQs, and maybe JJs. If he has a bluff its going to be a suited ace, or maybe two kings or two queens with no spades, that he decided wasn't going to be good enough of the time to show it down. i wouldn't pay it off unless there was some history, in spots where they can't have "air" -- they have to have a hand with some showdown value minimum, i just don't give them credit for turning it into a bluff unless i see how they play first.

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So you think he should never been bluffing here? Becuase he never ever ever has a hand without showdown value. Don't you think that might be a recipe for suicide v. Stinger?

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I think it's a bad idea to turn a made hand into a bluff when you still have a good amount of showdown value (which I think A7dd does).

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So you think he should never been bluffing here? Becuase he never ever ever has a hand without showdown value. Don't you think that might be a recipe for suicide v. Stinger?

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I think it's a bad idea to turn a made hand into a bluff when you still have a good amount of showdown value (which I think A7dd does).

[/ QUOTE ]Obv. sometimes it's more +ev to bluff than to just check down w/ showdown value.

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So you think he should never been bluffing here? Becuase he never ever ever has a hand without showdown value. Don't you think that might be a recipe for suicide v. Stinger?

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I think it's a bad idea to turn a made hand into a bluff when you still have a good amount of showdown value (which I think A7dd does).

[/ QUOTE ]Obv. sometimes it's more +ev to bluff than to just check down w/ showdown value.

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i dont think this concept is unfamiliar to kod

Re: 25/50 I have a set, river 4 flushes and I call?
 

Yeah fair enough. Fwiw I agree with everything in Prev's post.

Re: 25/50 I have a set, river 4 flushes and I call?
 

played a lot w/ sweetluvin and I agree iw/ kod

Re: 25/50 I have a set, river 4 flushes and I call?
 

since he probably bets almost every hand that beats you (esp with only 1 psb left), this call seems like an unfavorable parlay to me, even if he is "capable" of turning a hand with showdown value into a bluff.

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since he probably bets almost every hand that beats you (esp with only 1 psb left), this call seems like an unfavorable parlay to me, even if he is "capable" of turning a hand with showdown value into a bluff.

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Do you think he shoves with Ax7s?