Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw
 

I've only played a few hundred hands with that guy but I don't see him calling the turn thinking he is behind without a hand like 9TJQ. If I was going to take this line I'd raise to 130ish on the turn so the river bet is more effective.

Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw
 

Is this one of the hands you sent me Pete?

FWIW I agree with this:
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in my experience once they call the turn here, they are just never folding

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Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw
 

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I don't think a special read is all that necessary though.

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Alrighty. NH.

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I didn't mean to suggest that it was necessarily a good play, or that the character of opponent isn't important. Just that I don't think the reasoning (whether right or wrong) is based on anything particularly obscure about the opponent's style.

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I understand now, and the "NH" wasn't me being facetious, I like the idea behind the play.

Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw
 

I guess he could fold a naked 9

Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw
 

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in my experience once they call the turn here, they are just never folding

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Once he calls the turn, he is probably calling the river getting 3 to 1. What is your image?

Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw
 

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in my experience once they call the turn here, they are just never folding

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Once he calls the turn, he is probably calling the river getting 3 to 1. What is your image?

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I would guess I have a very aggressive image. But that cuts both ways -- I could definitely be bluffing, but I could also be value-betting pretty thin. And of course the fact that he's getting good odds cuts both ways as well -- on the one hand you'd think he'd call, but on the other hand he might think I wouldn't try to bluff him when he's so "obviously" pot-committed. plus, of course, it means I'm getting good odds.

Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw
 

Obviously he is more likely to call you if you have a pretty aggressive image. You may need a PSB on the river to pull this off if he had a decent but not great hand.

If you plan on firing on the river regardless of what comes out, I like TheRempel's idea of betting less on the turn in order to have a PSB on the river. The smaller than pot bet on the turn may look scarier than a PSB too.

Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw
 

Like Remp said, either leave yourself enough behind to make the river bet useful (it usually is a formality as played), or raise full pot on the turn.

Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw
 

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Like Remp said, either leave yourself enough behind to make the river bet useful (it usually is a formality as played), or raise full pot on the turn.

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I'm not sure I completely agree with this. I don't think I want to have a full PSB left on the river, b/c a) that would be a very small raise on turn and b) it would leave me a bad price on the river bluff if I choose to fire. and I don't want to raise so much on the turn as to leave a trivial amount on the river either, b/c then he can call with more speculative hands knowing he doesn't have to face any serious river action.

Re: 2-4 blind battle w/ flush draw
 

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Obviously he is more likely to call you if you have a pretty aggressive image.

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This is definitely not always true against semi-decent opponents.