Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

get busted! seriously though I think your going to have to play a big pot here, yes his line is strong but it includes far too many hands you are beating already.

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

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get busted! seriously though I think your going to have to play a big pot here, yes his line is strong but it includes far too many hands you are beating already.

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far too many hands? are you serious?

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

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To think that he would do it with AcQc and not other AQ's is ridiculous.

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Not ridiculous, just silly.

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

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i think this hand range is too narrow, why can't he have JTcc here?

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With fairly deep stacks, I think he could quite possibly have two paint clubs here. However, hero has certainly shown a lot of strength in the hand so far, so I'm not sure villain would C/R the turn with just a big draw here, knowing he could face a 3-bet push and be stuck in the pot.

Depends on villain's perception of hero's range here, I think.

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold?
 

Tough Spot. I go to the felt expecting to see A Q.

However, last time I was in a similar spot it didn't turn out so well. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

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Try this converter:
http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/
..or if you already are, with some better settings.

He's certainly representing top or second set, but he could also be semi-bluffing. There's a small chance he's trying to push you off a biggish hand or even thinking he is value-betting with top two, as bet-3-betting the flop would scare almost anything as that would look like a set. You do have to take your image into account here.

My reason for folding would be that the 1800 bet totally commits you, and he knows it.

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Is it a common play for someone to bet out with a big set and then slow down? I don't see why the villian wouldn't stick in a third raise on the flop w/ the set. Why wait to check-raise on the turn with a set of aces or queens?
That's why I'm thinking the turn check-raise maybe some sort of semi-bluff. Or maybe he just wants it to look like a semi-bluff [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] If he really has the big set you have got to give him kudos for a savvy play.

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold?
 

Screename?

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

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i think this hand range is too narrow, why can't he have JTcc here?

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Is AcKc to be ruled out? I see this play at lower stakes with that hand all the time. Even against a very narrow range (the AQ/AA/AA pokerstove results earlier in the thread), folding would be a mistake.

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

this would be an awful way to play akcc unless you are playing against an opponent who is so tight he lays down bottom set [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

Running bad? This is the easiest push ever. Raise more on the flop.