Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

Get out of the pokerstove box.

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

I can't think of why it is better to do it with 96o than ATo. Please elaborate.

ATo seems to have slightly better equity and since AT holds an ace, it is less likely that he does and more likely he will fold to your 3bet.

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

its obv better to have ATo, but we don't always get dealt good hands.

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

In a complete vacuum, assuming you have a tight image and given his 50% attempt to steal.
7.5BB in the pot, you are offering him
17+7.5 = 24.5 to 12 or roughly 2:1
If he folds > 33% of his opening range it's profitable even if you play fit/fold on the flop.
33% of his range would be 16.7% or [66+,A5s+,K9s+,Q9s+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QJo] I doubt many villains call 3bets this wide even IP.

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

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its obv better to have ATo, but we don't always get dealt good hands.

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i don't think this is obvious at all considering that many villains do not fold or 4 bet AJ, AQ, and AK pf

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

If you make it a 4x raise and have that be the last money you put into the pot, it's instantly +EV against this type of player, if used like once per session. If that were the case, we'd obv want 96o instead of ATo. The fact that you cbet this flop obviously changes things though... We'd definitely rather have top pair than no pair. But if you think about it, if you plan on cbetting the flop, does it really matter since he won't call you on this drawless flop with worse than AT? You might as well be bluffing. So in conclusion I think all that matters is how much of his range is worse than AQ/AK/AA/KK, and your hand is irrelevant.

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

AT has more value then 96o, stop thinking about only pessimistic scenarios (being dominated in this case). Weigh up the advantages and disadvantages. AT is clearly better then 96o.

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

I'll leave it to someone else to do the math for the cbet but I don't think it's spew.
Depends on his calling range ldo and how much of it includes an A.

Edit: blah let's do a quick run:
(1+2/3)X = 1
5/3X = 1
X = 3/5 = 60%

If villain calls < 60% the cbet is autoprofit. 16 hands make up Ax, 6 a pair so with the very simplistic assumption that he'll play on with any A or set and we won't invest any more money he needs a range that consists of > 40% hands that don't fit that discription.

77-QQ;AQ;AJ = 32 Ax hands, 36 pair hands = profitable (for some range that I pulled out of my behind)

So: tl;dr Imo pf3bet is profitable + cbet is profitable = no spew

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AT has more value then 96o, stop thinking about only pessimistic scenarios (being dominated in this case). Weigh up the advantages and disadvantages. AT is clearly better then 96o.

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thinking about your kicker isn't pessimistic

and if villain has a pocket pair, you will not stack them with a pair of Aces, but you can stack them w a 2p or str8 from 96

i actually honestly don't know which hand is better in a re raised pot vs various types of villains

Re: I do this from time to time and was told this is utter spew
 

list the advantages