Re: Intentional miscalling of hand at showdown
 

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Wow, I'm getting angry just typing this. Does anybody know of a good-paying job for a lazy, non-college-graduate who sucks at selling things and refuses to wear a suit? Yeah, I didn't think so.

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You could deal Blackjack.

I do agree with you. However in the case of the OP we don't know if the floor doesn't know the rules or was just throwing out an answer to get this guy to leave. Floorpeople who answer player's hypothetical questions are just asking for trouble. Why because the player is going to go and try to cause the hypothetical to happen, but when the floor gets to the table he may find the situation to be different than the hypothetical and rule differently.

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If it doesn't bother you to take her down a bit just say at the table at showdown she's done this in the past. Surely if she gets called out on it the whole table will be more careful in future if they play again with her.

I know you aren't the poker police but it clearly bothers you?

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I agree, this bitch is bad for the game. I would call her out every time she pulled a move. For example, next time she pulls the big blind 'trick', I'd tell the table that last time she did this she had AA. Everytime she calls out her hand I'd say "careful, she has a habit of mis-calling her hands". Do it enough and hopefully she'll leave. Or she'll go on tilt and try to beat you out of pots, so value bet her until she's broke.

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I know you aren't the poker police but it clearly bothers you?

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It would bother me to be at the table with a angleshooting cheater. Why wouldn't it bother you?

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Lol you have misquoted me, my whole reply was suggesting it bothered me enough to call the lady out over it. I was just saying in my last sentence I didn;t know whether the OP wa the type to speak out or just look after his own interests.

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Well, he's wearing a tie, and I'm not, so his vote counts for more than mine...

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Good one...

Re: Intentional miscalling of hand at showdown
 

1. Deliberately miscalling your hand causing another player to fold means your hand is dead. That's a rule and any cardroom/floor that doesn't know that rule is not a place I want to play in. The pot gets awarded to the heads up opponent even if his hand is irretrievable. If there are multiple opponents, the best hand wins or if those cards are also mucked, those opponents split the pot.

2. All players in the game have the moral responsibility to keep the integrity of the game intact. This means that any dealt in player can point out incorrect bet/raise amounts, blinds not posting, stopping out of turn action and can help in reading a tabled hand at showdown. Players can't talk about strategy during a hand but they certainly can (and should) bring up breaches of rules.

3. If I am at a table with this angleshooter, then his/her actions are hurting me and the other players and I will speak up whenever she does so. I will be very hard on this person and will do things like call her tabled hand every time or bring up any other rules infraction. However, I don't think I would go as far as describing a tell like having a premium hand in BB, even between hands.

4. I would get the floor involved early and describe the actions of this person. Most cardrooms should recognize that this type of player is bad for their game.

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1. Deliberatly miscalling your hand

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Woman in OP says "I thought the river [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] was a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]"

Nobody, even dealers, ever misread the board. So it may be hard to prove that the player "deliberately" miscalled his/her hand.

But then, I misread my hand once. Thought I made a small straight on the turn. When called on the river, I declared "Straight" and my opponent mucked. I was shocked when I saw I had nothing. Not even a pair. I told the dealer to just give my opponent the pot.

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1. Deliberatly miscalling your hand

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Woman in OP says "I thought the river [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] was a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]"

Nobody, even dealers, ever misread the board. So it may be hard to prove that the player "deliberately" miscalled his/her hand.

But then, I misread my hand once. Thought I made a small straight on the turn. When called on the river, I declared "Straight" and my opponent mucked. I was shocked when I saw I had nothing. Not even a pair. I told the dealer to just give my opponent the pot.

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You are correct that if its a single incident it may be legitmately a mistake. But if the player has a pattern of miscalling her hand and only miscalling it higher than it is then its probably not a mistake.

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youtalkfunny,

When you say that the rule is that the angleshooter automatically loses the pot, where are you getting this info? I'm guessing from robert's rules of poker, but not every casino has the same rules. Do you know if this applies at commerce or hollywood park? It'd be sweet if it did. I hate these angleshooting sleezebags. Of course, I've never been fooled by one though.

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What worries me is that, like most rules, it probably depends on where you're playing.

I've been tempted to turbomuck a winner when someone intentionally miscalls their hand (there are two people I play with often who do this) to teach them a lesson, but I'm afraid it will backfire when I get a floorman who doesn't know the rules.

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What worries me is that, like most rules, it probably depends on where you're playing.

I've been tempted to turbomuck a winner when someone intentionally miscalls their hand (there are two people I play with often who do this) to teach them a lesson, but I'm afraid it will backfire when I get a floorman who doesn't know the rules.

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So the solution is turbo muck a loser then claim it was a winner (I don't actually advocate doing this)