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DiceMan14 11-07-2007 06:08 PM

Re: 400nl deep bluff
 
Looks like a blocker bet with QQ, TT. Your shove represents AK, which does conform with your line. I dont think there are too many hands other than JJ hes calling with here OOP. I like the shove.

keikiwai 11-07-2007 06:08 PM

Re: 400nl deep bluff
 
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keik, you don't think he has a J ever and you also don't think we can call??

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sorry.... forgot about counterfeiting.....
which leans it a little toward calling

i still don't think calling w a J is good here... i mean AK is a reasonable hand for you (even w turn ch)

FionnMac 11-07-2007 06:13 PM

Re: 400nl deep bluff
 
looks good

blah-blah-blah 11-07-2007 06:52 PM

Re: 400nl deep bluff
 
lets say his range is QQ/AJ/JTs/TT-88 (reasonable imo), and assume he folds QQ 60% and Jx 40%. lets compare call vs. shove.

36 combos of TT-88, 24 combos of QQ/AJ/JTs so:

Call EV: +$510 x 60% + -$170 x 40% = +$238

Shove EV: +$510 x (60% + (20% x 60%) + (20% x 40%)) + (-$548.10 x (20% x 40% + 20% x 60%) = +$298.38

dunno what a realistic fold % would be but if we assume he folds QQ and Jx w/ the same frequency, he needs to fold about 35.7% of the time to make it as much EV as calling.

craig1120 11-07-2007 07:45 PM

Re: 400nl deep bluff
 
People saying QQ: You think he expects OP to call w/ A high often enough to be value betting QQ on the river? Seems unlikely.

I agree with OP that villain has a J like over 75% of the time. That being said, I really don't know if it's a good bluff or not. I think I like it though.

AAismyfriend 11-07-2007 07:51 PM

Re: 400nl deep bluff
 
I agree that calling has a lot of merit here for obvious reasons but you can easily rep AK here with this line, and make him fold QQ, so shoving is much better IMO. nh.

Irish Mafia 11-07-2007 11:55 PM

Re: 400nl deep bluff
 
If I were villain i'd call w/ a J. That being said I don't think villain has a J that often - I mean is he expecting hands like QQ, AK, AA to: a) bet the turn (as opposed to checking behind); and b) call a CR? I would think a J would raise the flop and/or lead turn.


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