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stever1k 11-23-2007 12:07 PM

Re: KK vs short stack
 
how about preflop? Shouldn't we raise here a little more OOP vs one limper?

sh58 11-23-2007 12:12 PM

Re: KK vs short stack
 
would be a much easier call if your betsizes were better

if you bet 5/6 pot on flop, then 12/15 on turn it is no longer a decision

as played, i call because of the odds

also; preflop is fine. i usually only make it 5x, so saying we should raise more is going a bit too far

Profish2285 11-23-2007 12:14 PM

Re: KK vs short stack
 
Yea I agree I should have bet bigger on the flop, Im playing scared and badly right now. As far as pf, I agree with my bet is definitely enough.

kav 11-23-2007 12:23 PM

Re: KK vs short stack
 
Short stack + good odds = snap call.

In my experience short stacks just love to gamble. Especially the ones who buy in for a weird amount and probably are with their entire bankroll at the table.

Dilznoofus 11-23-2007 12:48 PM

Re: KK vs short stack
 
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I feel like QQ and JJ are raising from the button, or at least limp-raising, no? My best guess is QJ, J9, Q9, or QT, JT, but two pair seems more likely. Maybe 50% two pair, 40% pair + oesd, 10% random cards we beat? Anybody care to comment on that range?

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Against a full stack I would smaller the pair + oesd part, but against a shorstack it prolly is a good assumption. But I think I'm stil giving him a tad more Two pairs than pair+oesd (solely based on Baluga, but I'm falling for this anyways, so I might not be correct).

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Baluga Theorem isn't as accurate against shorties because they will frequently shove turn with hands they would just call with sitting on deeper stacks.

Dilznoofus 11-23-2007 12:56 PM

Re: KK vs short stack
 
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Yea I agree I should have bet bigger on the flop, Im playing scared and badly right now.

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I like jamming it more against short stacks with these hands so I avoid these weird turn/river spots. I know I'm gonna feel committed and call them anyway, so I try to get enough money in to avoid the second-guessing on later streets.


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