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Vyse 07-07-2007 03:43 AM

Re: Fold AA to a checkraise?
 
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Hmm he played it like a set, but I think 66-99

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bored 07-07-2007 03:47 AM

Re: Fold AA to a checkraise?
 
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lol I guess I'm pretty rusty, however I like more than one pair to get 180bb in

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I dont see how my hand can be good here. This person is NEVER RAISING. I understand that JJ-kk, are a good part of his range. But is he ever going to smooth call oop with QQ/KK?

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You don't understand how to interprit PFA.

ALPHA TRI 07-07-2007 04:16 AM

Re: Fold AA to a checkraise?
 
I think your line is solid and shows discipline. Key thing here is how many hands stored for villan, <100 then do you feel like gambling? Otherwise dont waste time questioning solid folds hes so passive and the fact that hes this deep at this limit suggests hes no donkey.

morny 07-07-2007 05:36 AM

Re: Fold AA to a checkraise?
 
As last poster said you need a nice bit more than 100 hands to be sure of the aggression but because he sees so many flops youll have a much better idea of hes aggression after 100 hands than you would of a 25%v$PIP player.

Anyway i think your correct in not being in a hurry to stack off here against a very passive player, that dosent mean he dosent think KK is the nuts here but if your always getting all in here against a very passive player it cant be +EV.

You have position so id just call and see what he does on the turn he could have FD or AT and i wouldnt expect a passive player to come out hammering at the turn aswell with either of those holdings so this will narrow his range a bit.

Also KK-QQ is very likely to be 3bet by this fellow OOP with stacks this deep and especially KK and i dont think hell feel so confident betting that turn hard with QQ-JJ after been 3bet preflop so you should be able to keep the pot under control and if he checks that turn then id be happy to fire a value bet on the river expecting a call from QQ-JJ or AT

Also bear in mind Post Flop Aggression is Bet+Raise / Call so a calling station would dilute his agression factor somewhat even if he raises a bit but thats a sick low aggression factor so i think you have to respect hes raise here if youve 100+ hands on him

Panic__NL 07-07-2007 05:38 AM

Re: Fold AA to a checkraise?
 
3bet him and get ready to put it allin he has JJ+ here all the time!

molotom 07-07-2007 05:55 AM

Re: Fold AA to a checkraise?
 
Arrrr-in. I don't think a 54/13 donk would raise 22 or 55 UTG to 3.5BB, I'd be surprised if he showed up with bottom/middle set. I think he has TT+ here most of the time.

corsakh 07-07-2007 06:05 AM

Re: Fold AA to a checkraise?
 
Its a good policy to check 3bet flops 200deep since you only want to call two streets of action.

eWeet 07-07-2007 07:59 AM

Re: Fold AA to a checkraise?
 
I think that folding here is fine. The only way a push would seem logical is if villain has been playing stupid. Without such information, this looks like a fold. Villain could have a set or maybe a FD. With deeps stacks, I wouldn't risk the gamble.

If villain is in fact stupid, you'll find another chance to stack him.

07-07-2007 08:34 AM

Re: Fold AA to a checkraise?
 
With his AF I fold this. I think he hit a set and is building a pot, protecting from the flush board. I can`t see him betting JJ-QQ here like this. And he doesn`t has AK of spades, since you have the As.

neaera 07-07-2007 08:48 AM

Re: Fold AA to a checkraise?
 
you're behind to exactly one hand (TT) as this opp is never raising 22/55 utg. if he's got TT its just variance. 90% of the time you win.


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