Re: 50NL KK faces flopshove
 

So you think he's shoving with any pair, any overcard, any draw? that's going to get you in a lot of trouble.

Re: 50NL KK faces flopshove
 

he probally have j 9 on 77 so i would flod

Re: 50NL KK faces flopshove
 

you either love this or hate it, depends how bad a player he is and other factors. its an ugly spot.. im leaning towards folding, but i wouldnt rule calling out either cause ive seen so many retards with similar stats do this with bottom pair, draws, top pair, etc etc etc specially at these stakes...

Re: 50NL KK faces flopshove
 

I fold, his small flop bet combined with shoving just looks too bad and more often than not these 50+ heroes don't know how to play combodraws so his range is polarized towards strong hands. When I think about it, I would very rarely fold kings here but I think now is the time to do it.

Re: 50NL KK faces flopshove
 

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I would just like to say that the guy before me should REALLY thing about players ranges before doing any more stoving.
And fold that flop, villain prob has a 2pair combination.

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lol nice, I'm working on it

new to stoving!

Re: 50NL KK faces flopshove
 

What's his PFR Call %? Ever since I read Pokey's HUD article, I revamped my HUD and love it.

Just because he limps 56% doesn't mean he's calling Preflop raises 56%. I try to get a rough idea of their 3-bet range by looking at the % of their limps they raise, and use that % to estimate what range they're 3-betting.

I'd guess his calling PFR to be more like 25%:

66+,A2s+,K6s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,A7o+,K9o+,QTo+,JTo

You're 69% against that range. BUT, that doesn't mean you have that much equity against the range he's shoving here.

He didn't re-raise PF, so he probably doesn't have QQ-AA. If he has JJ-77, you're only 44%. You're 54% against AhQh.

If his range is:

JJ-66,Ah2h,J9s,8d7d,J9o,

You're 34%.

If you throw in AT, you're up to 41%.

I'd look at his WTSD % and Won at SD % to see what he goes to war with, as well as what he calls PFR with to narrow down his calling range and his shoving range.

Re: 50NL KK faces flopshove
 

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linky plz


the small bet/overbet shove almost always indicates real strength. He's also donking into the PFR which is unlikely to be a draw. It's an odd board though and you will sometimes see some weirdness, but I really think unless he has exactly A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for the flush and straight draw he'd likely just call your raise with a draw.

Re: 50NL KK faces flopshove
 

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Ever since I read Pokey's HUD article

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linky plz


the small bet/overbet shove almost always indicates real strength. He's also donking into the PFR which is unlikely to be a draw. It's an odd board though and you will sometimes see some weirdness, but I really think unless he has exactly A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for the flush and straight draw he'd likely just call your raise with a draw.

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I definitely think calling here is doing so expecting to be behind a lot.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...age=0&vc=1

There's pictures in the thread too.