Re: Californian city bans smoking in apartments and condos
 

stuff like this literally turns my stomach...

Re: Californian city bans smoking in apartments and condos
 

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Should we also outlaw using cusswords in front of children?

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No...Not really at all relevant?

Words are words, they are not inherently bad.

Should we outloud using cursewords TOWARDS children in an abusive manor? I think that's already been done.

As for why I think smoking around children is abusive? Come on. At the very least its extremly negligent. Second hand smoking is even more dangerous than first hand, why should children be forced to endure the effects of their parents addictions? Any other addiction (alcohol, gambling) can result in a child being removed from the home.

As for the Ron Paul talk..I don't really think I want to support a racist.

Just kidding, I'm already a big Ron Paul supporter, thanks for the recommendation - I'm not sure how he'd affect what is a State issue though. And I'd love to see a thread where his name isn't randomly inserted.

Re: Californian city bans smoking in apartments and condos
 

What about smoking at home, is that different than cars? Should we ban smoking in homes with minors?

Well, it is different. According the article, smoking in cars is 10x more dangerous for children than smoking in homes.

But, to answer your question, I wouldn't object to the discussion and consideration of banning smoking in homes with minors. It's an interesting idea and might have some validity, although it'd be difficult to enforce.

Edit: And by the way, I'm not anti-tobacco or anything like that, I smoke from time to time, cigars, cigarettes, but I do believe in responsibility.

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my personal experience: as a child both parents smoked a lot, and I could literally not run for 10 seconds without getting winded. starting in high school I did my best to remedy it, wasn't home much , had my own bedroom (windows), 1 parent quit and the other cut back, and I joined cross country and stuff to build up my lungs. I can testify that it really does damage children, at least athletically.

btw, in 8th grade a friend offered me a cigarrette (13, time to be "cool"), and I could inhale right away without coughing or anything my lungs were so used to the smoke.

true story.

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Second hand smoking is even more dangerous than first hand,

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how can this be true?

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Second hand smoking is even more dangerous than first hand,

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how can this be true?

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because everybody says it, ldo

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Second hand smoking is even more dangerous than first hand,

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how can this be true?

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I'll admit I only know what I've read/been told, but second hand smoke is unfiltered, ergo, more dangerous.

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...ed=rss.bayarea

I'm not sure how I feel about this. Well, I guess I am, I'm very much against it.

The issue was being solved privately, condo groups were taking it upon themselves to not allow smoking in their buildings. I don't see the need for the government to step in and say "here is what you can and cannot do in your own home."

Is this unconstitutional? I think it is, but I don't know which provision would relate to it.

On a related note:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071011/ap_o...1l75akjVV7q188F

California bans smoking in a car with minors.

I actually agree with this one, not sure there's a way for the private market to fix this, and its essentially child abuse.

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I live in CA. If any [censored] Gmen come and try to tell me I can't smoke in my apartment, they're gonna get acquainted with the business end of my fists.

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Second hand smoking is even more dangerous than first hand,

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how can this be true?

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I'll admit I only know what I've read/been told, but second hand smoke is unfiltered, ergo, more dangerous.

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Are the people smoking immune to 2nd hand smoke?

Re: Californian city bans smoking in apartments and condos
 

i know that a cigarrette in an ashtray burning with the smoke wafting over you is way worse than the exhaled smoke.

maybe thats what is meant.