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LOL @ folding river!!

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Seriously, what do we beat if we miss our draws?

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Hmmm

KT, JT, QJ, KQ, J9, K9, Kdx and a bunch more like weaker A's and hopeless bluffs. I am curious to know at what stakes a river fold is good. I am yet to play them...

Re: .25/.50 AKo turn decision?
 

Easy call here. You're going to get 2 BB anyways on the river if villain is not bluffing and has a weak made hand. Be prepared for a 3-bet if you raise the turn... you wanna see that river card first, and that nut straight will be beat by any flush villain holds.

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Call and fold the river UI.

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Villian is 60/0.0/.8 after 40 hands

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Hell yes I'm folding the river UI. Villain does not have AJ or less.

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So, over a 60vpip, his bet/raise vs. call ratio is 80/100. That means that in almost half the decisions he had to make over those 24 hands he played so far, he bet/raised, rather than called.

I'd say that's far from passive calling-station behaviour.

I call down and feel very good about it.

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Seriously, what do we beat if we miss our draws? If we don't improve we're losing this pot 117% of the time.

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ban <font color="white">lol</font>

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Seriously, what do we beat if we miss our draws? If we don't improve we're losing this pot 117% of the time.

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marchron, based on this post and some of your other recent ones I'm starting to wonder if you've just never seen LP's donkbluff and if it's partly because you never look them up. Aren't people with 60VPIP's going to have low AFs just by the sheer number of hands they play anyway? A5o does indeed play this way even from people like this.

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marchron, based on this post and some of your other recent ones I'm starting to wonder if you've just never seen LP's donkbluff and if it's partly because you never look them up. Aren't people with 60VPIP's going to have low AFs just by the sheer number of hands they play anyway? A5o does indeed play this way even from people like this.

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LPs, by definition, usually DON'T donkbluff.

That said, fret's point about his .8 AF is a good one — in fact, it's one I've made a hundred times in this very forum. Maybe I shouldn't post at a quarter 'til four in the morning; maybe my recent breakeven streak is driving me insane and I'm looking to shave off lost BBs because every time I call something like this Villain has Q9.

That said, I really don't think Villain has A5. When passive players bluff a draw, especially OOP, it's usually a huge draw or a pair-and-a-draw combo, so contrary to my earlier statement, Villain could in fact have AxJ[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], which would suck because it kills three of our outs.

I stand corrected on calling the river UI, but I still think we're going to be shown two pair, a straight, a baby flush — hell, he never raises preflop, he might even have flopped a set — way more often than a busted draw or a naked pair.

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LPs, by definition, usually DON'T donkbluff.

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They don't do it as often as many people but they do it. Their passivity often has a lot more to do with not raising than not betting, especially since many of them are ignorant of position and do things like forget the action on previous streets.

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anyway i called and it turned to be the king of diamonds, he checked and i bet, he called and showed q of spades and j of spades...not that it matters...

but what if it had been the king of clovers.. would you call a river bet, would you check behind if checked or would you b/f.. this matters to me because i suck at turn / river decisions?

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So, over a 60vpip, his bet/raise vs. call ratio is 80/100. That means that in almost half the decisions he had to make over those 24 hands he played so far, he bet/raised, rather than called.

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There's a fourth action that belongs with bet/raise in the equation, Frito.