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0524432 11-19-2007 05:38 AM

Re: Some Features That Need to Make It into Online Poker
 
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Nick Rivers 11-19-2007 05:44 AM

Re: Some Features That Need to Make It into Online Poker
 
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While I would, in some situations, like to run it 2+ times...you would have to have make separate tables for it, and I just don't think it would be popular enough for any site to take the time to code it into their software

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You wouldn't need separate tables for it. It could just be an option you, as an individual, set. If two people get all-in against each other before the river and they both have the "run it twice" option set, the board will be run twice. Otherwise, it won't. As for popularity, running it twice is all the rage in televised high stakes cash games right now; by virtue of that alone, it could become a popular option online.

Exitonly 11-19-2007 05:50 AM

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straddle is a good idea, checking in the dard could be good too.

all in EV is an AWFULL idea, its just so stupid, its like a casino would put blackjack table where instead of being dealt card, the house just take their 0.5% edge on your bet.

Seriously, variance IS GOOD, keeps people playing.

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Agreeed. And the 'running it twice' idea is pretty much a less extreme version of the EV calculation. running it twice means less variance but same EV = fish go broke quicker/less likely to go on heater that hooks them to poker for life

Nick Rivers 11-19-2007 05:58 AM

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Agreeed. And the 'running it twice' idea is pretty much a less extreme version of the EV calculation. running it twice means less variance but same EV = fish go broke quicker/less likely to go on heater that hooks them to poker for life

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You guys are analyzing this all wrong. First, you're wrong that fish will go broke faster. A fish expects to go broke according to his EV. Variance just widens the spread by which fish stray from this figure. Secondly, while running it twice does result in variance reduction, it isn't felt nearly to the degree that EV-based results would be. What's more, from the fish's perspective, he gets to "gamble twice" with each hand. And he gets to emulate all the big name pros in the process, all of whom are running it twice on TV these days.

[Phill] 11-19-2007 06:02 AM

Re: Some Features That Need to Make It into Online Poker
 
Checking in the dark ftw.

Live mississippi straddle close second.

Seeing someone go on tilt/be uber drunk and have them buy the button with the missi straddle would change the dynamics of the saturday night games no end [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

apefish 11-19-2007 06:04 AM

Re: Some Features That Need to Make It into Online Poker
 
Century Poker has a straddle option. Of course it also has the no traffic, bad software, associated with the former gpp aspects against it.

I like the idea of having tables where it can be done though in general.

0524432 11-19-2007 06:04 AM

Re: Some Features That Need to Make It into Online Poker
 
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While I would, in some situations, like to run it 2+ times...you would have to have make separate tables for it, and I just don't think it would be popular enough for any site to take the time to code it into their software

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You wouldn't need separate tables for it. It could just be an option you, as an individual, set. If two people get all-in against each other before the river and they both have the "run it twice" option set, the board will be run twice. Otherwise, it won't. As for popularity, running it twice is all the rage in televised high stakes cash games right now; by virtue of that alone, it could become a popular option online.

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Wrong. It's not a matter of both players in the hand wanting to run it several times, it's the hands/hour that causes the problem. If 2 players in a hand have this theoretical "option" checked to run it twice if given the choice, you also have to consider the rest of the table.

At high stakes game, like you see on HSP, the players at the rest of the table would never complain because these players are often getting the $ in for 200+ bb's and a huge amount of cash $, even for them.

Online, even the 300/600 game has a 100bb buyin cap, and these players are more often than not properly rolled for the games they're playing, and not going to be interested in running it twice/watching anyone else run it twice every AI pot.

The site would have to make separate tables, 100%.

Nick Rivers 11-19-2007 06:10 AM

Re: Some Features That Need to Make It into Online Poker
 
Live straddle seems to be popular. If you like it, be sure to email the customer service department at your favorite online site(s) and let them know.

Nick Rivers 11-19-2007 06:14 AM

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Wrong. It's not a matter of both players in the hand wanting to run it several times, it's the hands/hour that causes the problem. If 2 players in a hand have this theoretical "option" checked to run it twice if given the choice, you also have to consider the rest of the table.

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Actually, you're wrong. Probably because you're not an outside the box thinker. Let me help you out. The cards could be dealt simultaneously. We're not talking about physical cards being dealt by a real dealer; we're talking about virtual cards being dealt on a virtual table at whatever speed the site wants to do it. It could even be staggered but each card dealt faster than it is usually dealt to compensate. In other words, your objection is invalid, because it doesn't have to slow anything down.

0524432 11-19-2007 06:19 AM

Re: Some Features That Need to Make It into Online Poker
 
Glad we have the running in twice situation under control, but again, the straddle (live or not), would require a separate set of tables at every stake. (Do you see where all these different tables starts to get out of control?)

BTW, don't get me wrong, I personally would have all the major sites give players these options, I just really don't think it's going to happen.

Imagine......

Normal tables

BB Jackpot tables

Straddle(live and dead) tables

Running it 2+ tables

Straddle(live and dead) + Running it 2+ tables

....I'm not going to list all the permutations here but you get the picture. TBH, if they were going to do it, they'd probly have done it already....


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