Re: Tricky play sir
 

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His line is strange, but what are we beating other then total air? I fold here.

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8x or a small PP turned into a bluff. This is pretty player dependent obviously, so if you don't have much in the way of reads I think either decision is perfectly fine, but I'd lean towards calling and making a note if he seems aggro.

Re: Tricky play sir
 

id call w AQ bc if hes tricky enough to check a set twice, hes tricky enough to bluff CR the river when your hand pretty much looks like what it is.

Re: Tricky play sir
 

In the actual hand I was villain and held 99. I was pretty sure utg was 2+2 and that he had no read on me based on the first orbit. I was kinda like 'eh it's 2/4 he probably can't read hands' and figured he would give me credit as an unknown. I wouldn't have done this at higher stakes tho.

Good bluff/bad bluff?

Re: Tricky play sir
 

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In the actual hand I was villain and held 99. I was pretty sure utg was 2+2 and that he had no read on me based on the first orbit. I was kinda like 'eh it's 2/4 he probably can't read hands' and figured he would give me credit as an unknown. I wouldn't have done this at higher stakes tho.

Good bluff/bad bluff?

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Depends on if he has a fold button or not. FWIW, I'd like your line here for value a lot more since I think you get looked up here a fair amount and he's betting this river a tonnnn obviously.

Re: Tricky play sir
 

I don't like the bluff, the line is strange so he might call out of curiosity.

Re: Tricky play sir
 

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In the actual hand I was villain and held 99. I was pretty sure utg was 2+2 and that he had no read on me based on the first orbit. I was kinda like 'eh it's 2/4 he probably can't read hands' and figured he would give me credit as an unknown. I wouldn't have done this at higher stakes tho.

Good bluff/bad bluff?

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This is the sort of situation that I'm not too sure about vs an unknown. It's pretty obvious that the AQ hand has one pair here the vast majority of the time. I just don't know if I give the "bluffer" credit for realizing this. I would have folded but it could be wrong against an unknown that clearly isn't fishy. A lot of people want to call. I think I like the tricky enough to do this with a set then he's tricky enough to bluff here theory.

Re: Tricky play sir
 

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Id make a note as well, but fold it.

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Make a note on what - you don't know what he's playing like this... Or just a note "he's tricky; will cr river".

Re: Tricky play sir
 

This looks more like a pocket pair that realizes it's no good anymore than any other line.

Re: Tricky play sir
 

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Id make a note as well, but fold it.

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I've been seeing this lately and it makes no sense. How are you gonna make a note on someone when you fold?

also, this is similar to the hand I posted w/ AK vs. gp333 and everyone said fold. I guess there are several differences tho mainly that people are familiar w/ the villain, we were 200BB deep, he shoved, and it was a 3-bet pot bvb.

How are we adjusting our calling ranges to this line depending on:

1. single pf raise vs. 3 bet pot?

2. position? (BB vs. SB or BTN vs. CO or BTN vs. UTG)

3. how deep we are?

4. type of villain? (i.e. unknown vs. TAG vs. LAG vs. sicko)

5. bet sizing? (normal raise vs. shove)

Re: Tricky play sir
 

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This looks more like a pocket pair that realizes it's no good anymore than any other line.

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nice of you to chime in with this after OP revealed what he had.