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betgo 07-26-2007 10:50 AM

Re: Simple 3k Foxwoods megastack hand
 
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Shove. Not really much to say except that you have enough equity against his calling range and enough FE to make shoving much much better than folding here.

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Yeah, also throw in a read that you gave us, and the fact that it's the bubble of a live tourney and he's a lot more likely to fold, I like a shove here. He's not getting that great odds to call at all, and you only have 13 bb.

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Pretty easy push versus fairly loose player on bubble of live tournament.

TheNewf 07-26-2007 11:26 AM

Re: Simple 3k Foxwoods megastack hand
 
This seems really close. If you think you can get his marginal hands to fold (assuming he's opening a lot of marginal stuff) then I'd shove, if not I think you have to pass. I could go either way depending on my impression of the player and how I think he views me. Some people are just not going to fold the 2nd time you shove on them here while others will see that you showed AK and be manipulated the way you're hoping. Also it depends a lot on how wide you think he's opening. Wider than the others can still be pretty damn tight as some live tables so I'm not entirely sure how to interpret that. also I don't think the bubble is relevant with 42 left and 30 paying btw.

betgo 07-26-2007 11:33 AM

Re: Simple 3k Foxwoods megastack hand
 
It depends on whether you want to gamble, but this is close to cEV even if villain always calls, so I would have a hard time passing.

NoahSD 07-26-2007 11:33 AM

Re: Simple 3k Foxwoods megastack hand
 
I dunno.. I think this is close if he's competent and knows we're competent. We don't have a strong read like that, so I don't really think it's close.

southgapoker 07-26-2007 12:09 PM

Re: Simple 3k Foxwoods megastack hand
 
What are you putting villian on betgo?

BTW, the fact there are three to act behind us besides villian is very relevant here.

It's close, but given the information about the table in general it's probably a push. I'd like to know an exact range OP thinks this villian would be raising here.

betgo 07-26-2007 12:12 PM

Re: Simple 3k Foxwoods megastack hand
 
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What are you putting villian on betgo?

BTW, the fact there are three to act behind us besides villian is very relevant here.

It's close, but given the information about the table in general it's probably a push. I'd like to know an exact range OP thinks this villian would be raising here.

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,054,764,800 games 0.005 secs 410,952,960,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.381% 44.10% 00.28% 906209160 5720946.00 { 55 }
Hand 1: 55.619% 55.34% 00.28% 1137113748 5720946.00 { 77+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QJo }


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southgapoker 07-26-2007 12:16 PM

Re: Simple 3k Foxwoods megastack hand
 
oh then hell yea PUSH PUSH PUSH

based on op's info regarding the table and because villian is not acting from LP I was thinking
A10+, A8s+, KJ+, 77+
against this range it's not clearcut because I don't think you have much FE against most opponents plus there are three to act behind, etc etc

against your given range, I definitely push

betgo 07-26-2007 12:24 PM

Re: Simple 3k Foxwoods megastack hand
 
I just took top 15% in PokerStove. Against top 8% it is thus. You have people behind you, but you also have pot odds.

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.854% 39.60% 00.25% 447520992 2873340.00 { 55 }
Hand 1: 60.146% 59.89% 00.25% 676852968 2873340.00 { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+ }

Yuv 07-26-2007 12:28 PM

Re: Simple 3k Foxwoods megastack hand
 
I actually shove this situations a lot more than I should, but they usually work out. Somehow, from my limited experience, you always have more folding equity live than you originally thought.

southgapoker 07-26-2007 12:32 PM

Re: Simple 3k Foxwoods megastack hand
 
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I actually shove this situations a lot more than I should, but they usually work out. Somehow, from my limited experience, you always have more folding equity live than you originally thought.

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that is actually a very good point especially if this table is playing as I think OP is describing

When I look at this hand as me being villian there's very little FE on this hand but I am not villian and this is not an online AI/call fest. You probably have a lot more FE than I am giving credit for and thus it's probably not as close as I originally thought and is a shove.


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