Re: What\'s your opinion on Michael Moore?
 

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He's a documentary filmmaker with a very strong point of view. Obviously he spins his work in a manner that supports the points he is trying to make.

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So did Leni Riefenstahl.

I think "documentary filmmaker with a very strong point of view" is just a polite way of saying "propagandist". Talent, no doubt. But he puts it to questionable uses, sort of like Oliver Stone.

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Personally, I love the guy, he makes liberals look like a bunch of fat hypocrtical, mainly in the wrong, socialists. He is about 1000x more detrimental to the liberal cause than his closes counter example, Hannity, is to the conservative cause.

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I think Hannity is good for the right and Moore is good for the left.

Sure, for people who are reasonably intelligent and well read on the opposite side these guys cause them to have more disdain for the other side. I care significantly more about politics and people on the left winning elections than I would if Hannity and Coulter weren't around. In a vacuum that's bad for the right because it makes me and others like me more likely to contribute or volunteer for Obama or whoever.

However, politics is often about numbers. When how ever many millions of people listen to Hannity or Limbaugh many more of them influenced by what they say and in the direction they want. Similarly, even with the media backlash from people making the kind of statements you're making Fahrenheit 9/11 got more people on the left more involved and more people in the middle to move away from Bush than people in the middle moving right or people on the right more fired up.

Moore and these types on the right rely on the fact that most people not bothering to look things up and seek out the truth or think it through for themselves. Whatever your favorite lie or misleading line is from one of Moore's movies or Hannity's show I'm sure well over 50% of the people watching the movie or show believe it. Look at how many people thought Saddam played a significant part in September 11th before the Iraq war.

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So did Leni Riefenstahl.

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Come on, now. Sure, Michael Moore might be a propagandist, but the point of view he's espousing isn't fascism and genocide.

Personally, I think he's a loudmouth and a hypocrite (there's a fair amount of information out there about how he's treated his employees / people on his shoots). Politically I happen to agree with a lot of what he says and I'm glad that somebody's saying it, but he could do a much better job. His attack on an obviously senile Charlton Heston made me squirm.

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Personally, I love the guy, he makes liberals look like a bunch of fat hypocrtical, mainly in the wrong, socialists. He is about 1000x more detrimental to the liberal cause than his closes counter example, Hannity, is to the conservative cause.

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I think Hannity is good for the right and Moore is good for the left.

Sure, for people who are reasonably intelligent and well read on the opposite side these guys cause them to have more disdain for the other side. I care significantly more about politics and people on the left winning elections than I would if Hannity and Coulter weren't around. In a vacuum that's bad for the right because it makes me and others like me more likely to contribute or volunteer for Obama or whoever.

However, politics is often about numbers. When how ever many millions of people listen to Hannity or Limbaugh many more of them influenced by what they say and in the direction they want. Similarly, even with the media backlash from people making the kind of statements you're making Fahrenheit 9/11 got more people on the left more involved and more people in the middle to move away from Bush than people in the middle moving right or people on the right more fired up.

Moore and these types on the right rely on the fact that most people not bothering to look things up and seek out the truth or think it through for themselves. Whatever your favorite lie or misleading line is from one of Moore's movies or Hannity's show I'm sure well over 50% of the people watching the movie or show believe it. Look at how many people thought Saddam played a significant part in September 11th before the Iraq war.

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What you say may have been true at some point, but Moore is so far out there nowadays, that leftys probably wish he werent around because of all the heat they have to take becuase of his insanity. Ive always been into politics, and to a lot of peoples suprise Im def not a 2007 "conservative". Politics in this country is just ridiculous, it used to be people like Abbie Hoffman who spread the word, it used to be "us" vs "them", now you have a democratic party that has become the "them", brainwashing people with Moore and the likes propanganda. They are so blind to the fact that modern day democrats are about 1000 times worse as far as personal security, rights, etc than the evil republicans that the Chicago 7 fought against in the 60s. And well, all the republicans have to do is take a reactionary stance to whatever retarded thing the dem of the day spouts, and focus on that one quip to win an election, which obv does no one any good for enacting any real change.

Re: What\'s your opinion on Michael Moore?
 

He is intellectually dishonest and a propagandist. It is unfortunate how many people listen to him and think what he is saying the gospel, when rudimentary research will show he is intentionally omitting key information to push his political agenda. I know people might respond to this by saying, but what about Limabaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly don't they do the same? Firstly two wrongs don't make a right and secondly I expect a higher standard from a documentary than a daily tv show or radio show where the hosts are clearly designed to be pundits and not reporters.

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He is intellectually dishonest and a propagandist. It is unfortunate how many people listen to him and think what he is saying the gospel, when rudimentary research will show he is intentionally omitting key information to push his political agenda. I know people might respond to this by saying, but what about Limabaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly don't they do the same? Firstly two wrongs don't make a right and secondly I expect a higher standard from a documentary than a daily tv show or radio show where the hosts are clearly designed to be pundits and not reporters.

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The other thing is, you have to really really search around for a fact that hannity and co say, that is a blatant lie. Yes, they do spin some things, but usually they present facts, and than jump to some weird/wrong conclusion based on the facts presented. Moore just lies. O Reilly is a different beast than hannity and co imo, I like him most of the time.

Re: What\'s your opinion on Michael Moore?
 

He said the government is efficient at giving his father his social security check every month, and that this is proof that America could handle a completely public health care system with the private system removed.

Yeah.

Re: What\'s your opinion on Michael Moore?
 

Meh, he is a bit of a clown, but entertaining nonetheless.

Re: What\'s your opinion on Michael Moore?
 

he should die a horrible death.

Re: What\'s your opinion on Michael Moore?
 

I'm with Dids. I'm generally liberal, and I do appreciate that Moore is attempting to bring up discussion about important topics. However, he goes about it so poorly that it doesn't do any good. His films are so biased and ridiculous in many spots that the only people who agree with them agreed with them long before. He's not going to convince anyone who initially disagreed. So what's the point? It's like masturbation for the ultra-left.