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also I forgot, you said:

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Pre-flop play is terrible.

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I disagree.

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I don't think OP plays OOP with marginal hands as well as you do.

I'm not sure I would play this hand too profitably if I called here and I'd bet that I play postflop a lot better than OP.

Edit: Well I got it mixed and made this post thinking that OP called for some reason.


I don't think 3betting is terrible here. (I think folding most of the time is best but against this villian 3betting sometimes is fine.) However, I did think the sizing of the 3bet made it pretty bad....that's a really small 3bet.

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so many of you guys focus on preflop so much because that is the easiest part..you could pretty much play by a chart and play "perfectly" preflop...SO much of this game is post flop. I always see people saying, wtf why am i losing im playing 15/20 should i play even tighter?? its because you suck post flop,
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You're make some serious mistakes here, you have to fold preflop and the flop is real bad. This is just spew, dont do it.

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if we 3bet preflop we have to cbet this flop...we actually have a pretty good hand right now.

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im not sure what u 2 r on...

3 betting some % of the time in this spot is good, but if u do it u must make it bigger >3. lead flop for like 2/3, then depending on opponent i either c/f or bet/c 1/2 or whatever...

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People who are saying "OP doesnt play OOP very well" are you saying that, if you can play it well then this is a good hand to 3bet with??? Ok so he did, his raise was small but to the people who think they are great at oop playing how would you have played OP's hand on the flop?? How would a great OOP player play it?? It seems like a pretty straight forward flop play, what would a great OOP player do diffrently?

BTW, I would have had auto fold checked in this spot pre-flop

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i dont think its as easy a 3 bet as mentioned

villain is aggressive but i would much rather 3 bet a CO or button raise than a UTG raise

even someone raising 23% of hands would have a fairly tight UTG range here IMO

as played i would 2/3 pot the flop and turn, or probably even c/r the turn all in

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so many of you guys focus on preflop so much because that is the easiest part..you could pretty much play by a chart and play "perfectly" preflop...SO much of this game is post flop. I always see people saying, wtf why am i losing im playing 15/20 should i play even tighter?? its because you suck post flop,
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You're make some serious mistakes here, you have to fold preflop and the flop is real bad. This is just spew, dont do it.

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if we 3bet preflop we have to cbet this flop...we actually have a pretty good hand right now.



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Ok I misread the board, thought it was two diamonds, not two hearts. That obviously increases our equity a lot and makes the NORMAL c-bet fine, however, overbetting the pot I think is pretty bad because this is obviously a semi-bluff and if Villain happenes to 3bet us on the flop we lost more than we needed too.

Second... I understand most of this game is postflop... however wouldn't you still want to play perfectly preflop?
This IS the micros, most of us don't play that well with marginal hands anyway, add on being oop and we're in some deep trouble. Maybe thats why we strive so hard to play good hands in position? Maybe thats why we should be folding a marginal hand OOP against an aggressive villain? I'm not saying it isn't profitable to 3bet him here but it might be better if OP 3bet at least in position. This is a fold preflop according to my "perfect hand chart"

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I agree my 3 bet should have been more. What hands would you 3 bet this LAG opponent?