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cakewalk 11-08-2007 05:28 AM

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noodle you have some hands on me, i'll have one of those by the end of the month

Paul B. 11-08-2007 05:37 AM

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I just ended my session due to tilt, but at least two Full Tilt Pros sat at my 5/10 9-max table.

Kenny Tran came by for an orbit and played like 50/11/0.8. He bet small with 75o on a K73 flop, someone "sucked out" with 95s, he said "nice call on the flop" and then left like a sissy.

Huck Seed limps a lot. And does not like to fold preflop. Next time he limps I'm gonna make it like 15xBB to go and I'm pretty sure he will call.

ManChild 11-08-2007 05:39 AM

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Huck Seed limps a lot. And does not like to fold preflop. Next time he limps I'm gonna make it like 15xBB to go and I'm pretty sure he will call.

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lmfao

lacky 11-08-2007 05:41 AM

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you guys don't get it. i just ran really hot. fgator's has the same [censored] going on in his graph. the more i play the less money im going to make etc. eventually i'll be counting profit via fpps etc.

it's all statistics, fluctuations and variations that confuse you into thinking ur a winning player

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I mean this very sincerely. There is a reason I only pay attention to my years long hourly rate average. It's cause it's the only one that holds up. Even when I'm a golden god making a gizzilain dollers in a month, I know by years end it will be $50ish/hour.

Thats fine though. I'm 40 yo and $50/hour is probably double the best I ever did at a "real" job working for someone else. I'm playing a [censored] game, in my sweats, unshaven, unshowered half the time, and making enough to support my whole family. If I can keep that going, thats a nice outcome.

For the vast majority of those of us that can make money at poker, we will never get "rich" from it. I wish it was different sometimes, but it is what it is, and I'm ok with it.

Steve

TheNoodleMan 11-08-2007 05:49 AM

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These kids want to be Partick Antonious so bad that they don't realize how great it would be just to be Lacky.

Also, I think you left the fanny pack and wildlife themed shirt out of the description.

cakewalk 11-08-2007 05:54 AM

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i guess all my griping is me realzing im not going to do what i want with poker. ill end up at some miserable job just like my parents and everyone around me did/are.

ManChild 11-08-2007 06:13 AM

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Lacky, I have great respect for you and your game.

I think the difference is that some of us are 20-22 years old and are seeing these thousands of dollars and are making $50+ an hour and are thinking (rightfully so i hope) that if we are this young and have only been playing poker this seriously for a couple of years (or less) that we have a big ceiling above us that we can potentially get to.

We are trying to work on our games and at times it doesn't seem like we are really improving or making more money and we are frustrated because we see this great opportunity for 'financial freedom' and to not have to get real jobs when we graduate college.

For me personally, I understand that I have made more money for the last year or so then most adults and even college graduates make in a year but I am still frustrated because I think I can be making more then I am currently making.

I don't think there is anyone who would say that a college kid making $50+ an hour is doing badly, but when we see that we can be making more it is frustrating to be making 'just 50' or 'just x' .

Perhaps we are just spoiled, but I don't think thats it. I think we know that most of us are capable of making more money then we are currently making and are having a frustrating time getting there.

cakewalk 11-08-2007 06:24 AM

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even if we do get "there" what are we going to have that is going to give us an edge over the ppl that were "there" long before us. and what do they have that we don't etc etc etc etc. it goes on and on

ManChild 11-08-2007 06:25 AM

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even if we do get "there" what are we going to have that is going to give us an edge over the ppl that were "there" long before us. and what do they have that we don't etc etc etc etc. it goes on and on

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you just have to be smarter / work harder / study more then they do.

AMT 11-08-2007 06:27 AM

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even if we do get "there" what are we going to have that is going to give us an edge over the ppl that were "there" long before us. and what do they have that we don't etc etc etc etc. it goes on and on

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why do you have to make sure youre better than they are? you can be a winning player at every level without being the single best. the people that were there before you took the time to get there, and theyll either be playing well there or have moved on. they have the time, determination, and will power to work through messing hands up and downswings to learn, rebuild, and recooperate, to get "there".


edit: amost people have the same potential to become a winning player, but most people cannot hack the emotional and psychological aspect to this game when push comes to shove, and thats why most dont make it.

that and bad bankroll management.

Josem 11-08-2007 06:28 AM

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i think that you underestimate the amount of money to be won grinding 3/6 or even 5/10, without needing to be the best in the world.

Eagles 11-08-2007 10:53 AM

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Bengie,
Nearly every really good cash game player I know as had an 100k break even stretch. The only exception is Bigt because he never runs bad.

lacky 11-08-2007 12:19 PM

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Lacky, I have great respect for you and your game.

I think the difference is that some of us are 20-22 years old and are seeing these thousands of dollars and are making $50+ an hour and are thinking (rightfully so i hope) that if we are this young and have only been playing poker this seriously for a couple of years (or less) that we have a big ceiling above us that we can potentially get to.

We are trying to work on our games and at times it doesn't seem like we are really improving or making more money and we are frustrated because we see this great opportunity for 'financial freedom' and to not have to get real jobs when we graduate college.

For me personally, I understand that I have made more money for the last year or so then most adults and even college graduates make in a year but I am still frustrated because I think I can be making more then I am currently making.

I don't think there is anyone who would say that a college kid making $50+ an hour is doing badly, but when we see that we can be making more it is frustrating to be making 'just 50' or 'just x' .

Perhaps we are just spoiled, but I don't think thats it. I think we know that most of us are capable of making more money then we are currently making and are having a frustrating time getting there.

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I don't think you guys are spoiled at all, and there is nothing wrong with wanting more and working hard to get there. We ALL want more, and most of us that people would consider good around here are constantly working at it.

What I'm saying is that most of us will reach a platue, based mostly on inherent abilities I beleive, and will struggle to go significantly beyond it.

We should all shoot high, but there will always be someone running hotter, making more, playing higher, etc. To stay sane you have to learn to shoot higher while at the same time be happy with what you have accomplished and where you are. It's not easy. We all struggle with it. A few break out and play much higher, make much more. Most dont.

microbet 11-08-2007 01:27 PM

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i guess all my griping is me realzing im not going to do what i want with poker. ill end up at some miserable job just like my parents and everyone around me did/are.

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Your attitude might be a problem, but you're so freaking young and could do so many different things if you put your mind to it. You could still be a brain surgeon, a race car driver, a CIA agent, lion tamer, maybe an astronaut, maybe even a rich poker player if you allow for the possibility that it might even take a few years or more of hard work to become wildly successful at something.

StregaChess 11-08-2007 01:32 PM

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To stay sane you have to learn to shoot higher while at the same time be happy with what you have accomplished and where you are. It's not easy. We all struggle with it. A few break out and play much higher, make much more. Most dont.

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This is true about life in general, it so true it's sick.
My first chess tourney was in 1973, I picked up a state championship title, a life master title and a fide rating along the way... BUT.... I realized that I really had reached my theoretical ceiling. The fun stops when it takes 10x as much study to improve 2%. Psychologically it's a hard place to live, I've not played in any tourneys since 1996 and the thought of trying to get back into it makes me want to puke.

If it be poker, chess or life we all face it sooner or later. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

TruFloridaGator 11-08-2007 01:32 PM

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i guess all my griping is me realzing im not going to do what i want with poker. ill end up at some miserable job just like my parents and everyone around me did/are.

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Your attitude might be a problem, but you're so freaking young and could do so many different things if you put your mind to it. You could still be a brain surgeon, a race car driver, a CIA agent, lion tamer, maybe an astronaut, maybe even a rich poker player if you allow for the possibility that it might even take a few years or more of hard work to become wildly successful at something.

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It's an understandable transition though. I went through the same thing & it was extremely hard to realize I wasn't going to be a long-term successful poker player. It was putting a big strain on my life & not until did I talked to a friend(thanks, Mike), did I let it go.

This did NOT mean that poker was over & I couldn't be successful at it. I just realized that it wasn't really what I wanted as a career choice.

This may not even be true in cake's situation, but there is nothing wrong feeling what he is feeling. You just really have to take a step back & think about what you really want to do. You're a smart guy & like MB said, you can do whatever the [censored] you want.

Ditch Digger 11-08-2007 01:39 PM

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i guess all my griping is me realzing im not going to do what i want with poker. ill end up at some miserable job just like my parents and everyone around me did/are.

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Whenever I start thinking like this, I look back and think about all the things poker has given me. Before poker I was just another dude that was out of college working at some crappy job hoping to get a 10% raise on my miserable salary. Since I quit my job 18 months ago, I've met a ton of cool people, seen some really amazing things, and have had the freedom to go wherever I want whenever I want to. If poker were to suddenly close up shop or I got hit on the head with a blunt object and forgot how to play I don't think I could objectively be mad at all the things and experiences that it has given me.

Making 50k at poker >>>>> 50k working for the man.

The Yugoslavian 11-08-2007 02:00 PM

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i guess all my griping is me realzing im not going to do what i want with poker. ill end up at some miserable job just like my parents and everyone around me did/are.

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Whenever I start thinking like this, I look back and think about all the things poker has given me. Before poker I was just another dude that was out of college working at some crappy job hoping to get a 10% raise on my miserable salary. Since I quit my job 18 months ago, I've met a ton of cool people, seen some really amazing things, and have had the freedom to go wherever I want whenever I want to. If poker were to suddenly close up shop or I got hit on the head with a blunt object and forgot how to play I don't think I could objectively be mad at all the things and experiences that it has given me.

Making 50k at poker >>>>> 50k working for the man.

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Well yeah, that sounds nice and all...

...but how much did you lose?

[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Yugoslav

futuredoc85 11-08-2007 02:18 PM

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every time i think i understand poker, i end up [censored] up over and over again until i ruin my month and my graph looks like [censored]. [censored] hell. why cant i understand anything anymore ?

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8452/graphws2.jpg

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what the [censored]? you're making 10ptbbs and bitching about it?

Scotty_12 11-08-2007 02:19 PM

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Post 999 (post 1000 just seconds away)

lacky 11-08-2007 02:20 PM

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To stay sane you have to learn to shoot higher while at the same time be happy with what you have accomplished and where you are. It's not easy. We all struggle with it. A few break out and play much higher, make much more. Most dont.

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This is true about life in general, it so true it's sick.
My first chess tourney was in 1973, I picked up a state championship title, a life master title and a fide rating along the way... BUT.... I realized that I really had reached my theoretical ceiling. The fun stops when it takes 10x as much study to improve 2%. Psychologically it's a hard place to live, I've not played in any tourneys since 1996 and the thought of trying to get back into it makes me want to puke.

If it be poker, chess or life we all face it sooner or later. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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wow, you gotta be even older than me [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

futuredoc85 11-08-2007 02:20 PM

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So why not change the fact that you suck at poker instead of being okay with it? Seems reasonable to me.

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past 2 years have been trying to change that. it's kind of like trying to run barefoot on ice,

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lol well at least you're emo as [censored]

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seriously the only thing that will keep you from winning at this game is your [censored] doomsday attitude

futuredoc85 11-08-2007 02:36 PM

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even if we do get "there" what are we going to have that is going to give us an edge over the ppl that were "there" long before us. and what do they have that we don't etc etc etc etc. it goes on and on

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god damn dude. honestly your attitude is what's holding you back, and as long as you keep it you'll never get anywhere. Stop the [censored] pity party. You dont have it any worse than anyone else out there. Everyone has struggled w/ confidence during a bad run. You're on a good run right now and still posting your graph as a complaint, wtf?!!?

Stop looking at how good/bad you're running. Stop expecting other people to be able to teach you how to play w/o you doing any work. Stop playing high. Stop playing too many tables. Stop caring when you get coolered or sucked out on. Stop trying to make super-hero folds and stop trying to put stupid small stakes opponents on complicated thought processes.

The truth is that despite all the talk in SSNL about how people just decide not to move up blah blah blah is that there arent any really good players at SSNL. So stop pretending you're playing against amazing players and just learn to hand-read and valuebet. If you can learn to beat SSNL for 6-8ptbbs you can prob move up to MSNL, if not you're prob not ever going to make more than $50-$80/hr. Poor baby.

BHokie1 11-08-2007 02:39 PM

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I don't really go out much anymore, so I'm pretty short on blog topics. Suggestions for topics? I've been reading a little more, so I might start doing some book reviews.

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go out more ldo

TheNoodleMan 11-08-2007 02:40 PM

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Just thought I'd give everyone a heads up that the 30 inch dell monitor is on sale for $1161, which I believe is the cheapest it has ever been. I'm finally getting one.

[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

DannyOcean_ 11-08-2007 02:45 PM

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the emo is strong here. I play 6.50's and am happy when i make like 10 dollars! stop bitching and enjoy the fact you can likely make money playing a game...

cakewalk 11-08-2007 02:49 PM

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[x] i need to quit smoking

GtrHtr 11-08-2007 02:50 PM

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soooo sorry to change the suicidal mood of the thread, but...

HOLY [censored] [censored] I CAN'T [censored] BELIEVE HOW MUCH BETTER I AM THAN I WAS 3 DAYS AGO. [censored] LIGHTBULB TIME BABY!!1

and no I'm not on some sick heater winrate godmode atm - although there is profit, I'm just playing really well for me and making [censored] happen the way I always knew it could happen.

that is all.

TruFloridaGator 11-08-2007 02:51 PM

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learn me, please?

cleinen 11-08-2007 02:52 PM

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learn me, please?

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TruFloridaGator 11-08-2007 02:52 PM

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That said, I'm crushing STTs right now despite running horrific(winning HU but losing everything else will do this).
I'm not touching cash for a few days.

GtrHtr 11-08-2007 02:53 PM

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um yeah, np, its ez, skill game, etc. But I could help you some now for sure. Bring ur laptop by and I'll show you the majik.

TruFloridaGator 11-08-2007 02:55 PM

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Yes, this shove sucks but I thought I could kind of reverse psychology Dale getting him to realize I'm shoving tight. He was pwning the bubble so I thought it would be the best spot I get. I'm obviously not shoving any wider than this.

Apparently, I should believe his location:
"in your STTs spitecalling you!"

PokerStars Game #13115733051: Tournament #66557892, $25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/11/08 - 13:36:11 (ET)
Table '66557892 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: UrbanMeyer1 (935 in chips)
Seat 3: KIN' HEARTS (2160 in chips)
Seat 5: Daleroxxu (9455 in chips)
Seat 9: trader001 (950 in chips)
UrbanMeyer1: posts the ante 25
KIN' HEARTS: posts the ante 25
Daleroxxu: posts the ante 25
trader001: posts the ante 25
KIN' HEARTS: posts small blind 100
Daleroxxu: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to UrbanMeyer1 [Kh 3d]
trader001: folds
UrbanMeyer1: raises 710 to 910 and is all-in
KIN' HEARTS: folds
Daleroxxu: calls 710
*** FLOP *** [8d Js 4h]
*** TURN *** [8d Js 4h] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [8d Js 4h 6s] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Daleroxxu: shows [6h 2c] (a pair of Sixes)
UrbanMeyer1: shows [Kh 3d] (high card King)
Daleroxxu collected 2020 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2020 | Rake 0
Board [8d Js 4h 6s 5d]
Seat 2: UrbanMeyer1 (button) showed [Kh 3d] and lost with high card King
Seat 3: KIN' HEARTS (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Daleroxxu (big blind) showed [6h 2c] and won (2020) with a pair of Sixes
Seat 9: trader001 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

TruFloridaGator 11-08-2007 02:57 PM

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um yeah, np, its ez, skill game, etc. But I could help you some now for sure. Bring ur laptop by and I'll show you the majik.

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You mind if I come watch you play for a bit? I'm good for Sunday or today or next week.

BHokie1 11-08-2007 03:10 PM

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[x] i need to quit smoking

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This plus all the drama - my money is on GTRHTR for the LLL (Last Longer Life).

cakewalk 11-08-2007 03:10 PM

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http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/Indi...1106030857.jpg

http://apnews.excite.com/image/20071106/...docid=D8SPIQ1G1

Eagles 11-08-2007 03:15 PM

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I'm like 90% done an essay anyone feel like proofreading what I have in exchange for an hour of coaching?

edit: I'll be gone for like an hour... but just post in the thread or pm me or w/e.

fluorescenthippo 11-08-2007 03:32 PM

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http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22723210-5005962,00.html


stripper gives birthday boy 16 spanking at school lololol

GtrHtr 11-08-2007 03:32 PM

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I'll look at it. PM it to me or pm me for my email.

I'll give the free coaching to TFG if thats ok.

fyi I teach at UF and grade 50 papers per term.

GtrHtr 11-08-2007 03:35 PM

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um yeah, np, its ez, skill game, etc. But I could help you some now for sure. Bring ur laptop by and I'll show you the majik.

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You mind if I come watch you play for a bit? I'm good for Sunday or today or next week.

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Today sucks at work, sunday is no good, but lets do the lunch thing next week mon or tues - Mac grill, or whatever you want like I said, sorry but not mark's [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. Then we can go to ur computer and go over some stuff. You live by the mall yes?


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