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yeah man i was thinking that myself initially (although never really connected it by saying "oh naomi must be with the others!") but yeah, why would that flare cause mikhail to come running like that..

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Couple of thoughts on this.

First, it seems like the barracks of the Others, where Mikael "died", would be pretty far away from the beach where they found Naomi. It seemed like Mikael showed up pretty quickly after the flare went off, right? My initial thought watching the show was that Mikael was expecting someone to arrive, and was in the vicinity already.

Also, remember, (in white because some might think it's a spoiler) <font color="white"> Naomi apparently tells Mikael something like "I'm not alone", according to people who translated her Portugese. This would potentially imply that Naomi did expect to see someone from Dharma/the Others when she landed, but of course ran into the Losties instead. </font>

Assuming that's true, going one step further, it does seem possible like others said that maybe Mikael really is the last of Dharma, and they don't let him in on much. He might not know specifically why she's there, just that someone is coming, or perhaps she's not who he expected. That could account for sounding surprised telling Ben that someone had landed on the island.

Of course that wouldn't explain why she had Desmond's picture, and the Penny connection.

Blah, probably overthinking it. The most feasible explanation is that it's just what it appears to be so far - Penny hired Naomi and others to find Desmond, and that is as much of a surprise to Ben as it was to the Losties.

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2 possible explanations for that:

1. He saw it as someone making an attempt to signal the location of the island to someone, and that is not something the Others want happening - Mikhail went running to investigate/stop whoever was trying to give up the island's location.

2. Mikhail knew that the firing of a flare was the standard operating procedure for a Dharma representative arriving on the island (he did have access to all of the Dharma procedure files at the Flame). Part of his 'job' as an Other is to watch for things like that - he then runs to the location to start convincing the new arrival that everything is still under control. This could be why he is constantly in a Dharma jumpsuit - to maintain appearance that the Initiative is still in charge.

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Other than the "Jacob's List" reference in the episode from the Others camp when they see the plane crashing, has there been any other times that someone has mentioned Jacob?

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Other than the "Jacob's List" reference in the episode from the Others camp when they see the plane crashing, has there been any other times that someone has mentioned Jacob?

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* He was first mentioned by name by Danny Pickett in "I Do". According to Danny, Jack "wasn't even on Jacob's list."
* In "Maternity Leave", Tom said "You know what he'll do when he finds out," implying that "he" is above both Tom and Ethan Rom in the Others' hierarchy.
* Ben states in "Dave", "If I tell you about them, you don't know what he'll do!" and when threatened by Sayid, says "He'll kill me!" to which Sayid responds, "I'll kill you!". Since Ben still doesn't give an answer, it most likely means that he would rather die than disappoint "him". Ben also says that "the man with the beard" is "no one", implying that "he" is much higher in the Others' hierarchy.
* In "Two for the Road", he says that "he" is "a great man, a brilliant man, but not a forgiving man, and would kill him for failing his mission".
* He was mentioned in "Par Avion" by Mikhail Bakunin, who said, "The man who brought me here, who brought all of my people here—He is a magnificent man."
* Ben said that Jacob would heal Rachel's cancer if Juliet agreed to stay on the Island in "One of Us".
* The name Jacob is also visible in the Room 23 video watched by Karl in the episode, "Not in Portland", where a title says "God loves you as He loved Jacob". In "Stranger in a Strange Land", when Sawyer and Kate are discussing returning to Hydra Island, Karl says "He'll kill you. God loves you as he loved Jacob".
* Jacob was confirmed to be "him" In the 3/20/07 Official Lost Podcast.
* Ben took Locke to see Jacob in "The Man Behind the Curtain", leading him to a dilapidated-looking cabin deep in the jungle. Ben is at first hesitant to do this, saying that Jacob is not someone one visits; one is summoned by Jacob instead. Inside the cabin they find a seemingly empty chair next to a table. Ben introduces the chair's invisible occupant as Jacob. Locke does not believe there is anyone there, even as Ben seems to have an animated conversation with Jacob. When Locke attempts to leave he hears the words "Help me." The voice is low and does not sound like Ben's. Locke turns back around and asks Ben what he said. Ben says he said nothing, Locke turns on the flashlight and starts to tell Ben what he heard. Just before Locke repeats Jacob's message items in the room seem to shake on their own, some items seemingly thrown. This keeps Locke from relaying Jacob's secret message to Ben. Ben attempts to stop Jacob, but he is forcibly thrown against a wall. In the midst of this a brief image of a man, Jacob, can be seen.
* Does Ben really see Jacob? When trying to stop him, he grabs the _chair_, not the arms of a man who would be sitting on it; also, he is a bit too close to the chair back, he would collide with the sitter; finally, his eyes seems to look not where the head of the sitter would be. (This could be just due to acting without a real person on the chair).

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Also, remember, (in white because some might think it's a spoiler) Naomi apparently tells Mikael something like "I'm not alone", according to people who translated her Portugese. This would potentially imply that Naomi did expect to see someone from Dharma/the Others when she landed, but of course ran into the Losties instead.

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to me, Naomi's line was more of a throwing a bone to viewers, so we can say "holy [censored] I think Penny is coming to the rescue" than anything else

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I'm wondering if they might kill off Alex to set off Rousseau.

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She's seemed pissed off enough already.

I've always thought Rousseau will be the one who kills Ben

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I don't see Rousseau dying yet at least. I think that she's prime to have her own episode soon though. I'm very curious in her story, how she came to be and how she survived all these years without anyone around not to mention having lost her child so many year ago.

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Hello screencap from previous episode.

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Hello screencap from previous episode.

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Past tense "loved." Does this mean Jacob is some kind of spirit?

Also one thing that bothers me is the punctured lung heals in a day but in the first or second episode the martial who had Kate under arrest was hurt for a day or 3 without getting any better. Also the pilot up in the tree, or someone up in a tree seemed pretty bad off still. Why do they not get heeled?

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Hello screencap from previous episode.

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Past tense "loved." Does this mean Jacob is some kind of spirit?

Also one thing that bothers me is the punctured lung heals in a day but in the first or second episode the martial who had Kate under arrest was hurt for a day or 3 without getting any better. Also the pilot up in the tree, or someone up in a tree seemed pretty bad off still. Why do they not get heeled?

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the island doesn't heal everyone and each person has a different relationship with the island...some people are more "special" than others, therefore some get healed while others don't

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Past tense "loved." Does this mean Jacob is some kind of spirit?

Also one thing that bothers me is the punctured lung heals in a day but in the first or second episode the martial who had Kate under arrest was hurt for a day or 3 without getting any better. Also the pilot up in the tree, or someone up in a tree seemed pretty bad off still. Why do they not get heeled?

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the island doesn't heal everyone and each person has a different relationship with the island...some people are more "special" than others, therefore some get healed while others don't

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If this explains it then how does Mikail know that Naomi's injuries will heal quick without knowing her. Using your rationale he must know her.

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My theory is that Locke ends up becoming the leader of the the others. Ben killed his father before becoming a member of the 'hostiles' and Locke did the same, yet not directly which could be important later. Ben seems to be the one that carries out the will of jacob now but perhaps he is failing or running out of time and now jacob requires a new servant and thus the "help me". With a little faith and some help from richard Locke could probably be convinced that assisting jacob is his calling.

I found an interesting recap by vozzek here that I have posted(partially) below. After reading this I did think of something else. Maybe Ben let walt and michael go because walt was 'special' just like ben is special and now locke. Perhaps Ben is not wanting one of these other special people to take his place as the one. Heres the recap by vozzek ...
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Jacob Needs an Extreme Home Makeover
Alright, let's get to the good stuff. This scene is the reason we all watch LOST. I usually watch an episode twice before writing this, but I put this scene through the paces at least a half dozen times - and two of those were on slow-mo. Lots of important stuff here.

First impression: Ben's a lunatic. He really REALLY didn't seem to want Locke to go in there, and did everything he could to talk him out of it. I originally thought Ben was bluffing. Once inside the empty shack, I figured his bluff was called. So did Locke. The whole invisible man thing seemed a put-on, and for a moment I thought the writers were going to pull the ultimate cop out. Man was I wrong.

"Help me" was easily one of the creepiest things I've heard in a long time. It was skin-crawlingly perfect. Locke's incredulity at what he perceived to be Ben's continued ruse was shattered by his realization that someone really was in that chair. And in that one moment, everything changed. Even Locke's fearless demeanor, as he bolted the house.

What really changed however, was Jacob's org chart. Here's the breakdown, so stay with me:

BEN (To Jacob): "I told you he wouldn't".

Ben's telling Jacob that Locke can't see him. As the only one to see and hear Jacob, Ben wants it to stay that way. To keep in power he's vehemently kept anyone else from Jacob - especially someone as special as Locke.

BEN (To Locke): "You can't see him?" (slightly mockingly) "He's sitting right there, in this chair".

Ben's giddily relieved that Locke can't see Jacob. He thinks Locke doesn't have the faith. He doesn't want him to.

BEN (To Jacob): "Yes I know, but he insisted".

Jacob just told Ben that Locke wasn't ready. Apparently Jacob wanted Locke to come, but only once he would be able to see him. Ben's half apologetic and half making excuses. Secretly, he's glad Locke came early.

BEN (To Jacob): "I am not. He made me bring him here, did you think that it was my-"

Jacob just accused Ben of conspiring to fail by bringing Locke early. Jacob's smart. He knows Ben wants to maintain control... he knows Ben doesn't want Locke to see him. Jacob is realizing that Ben's agenda is not his own.

LOCKE (To Ben): "Do you think there's someone there?"

BEN (To Locke): "I KNOW there is. I'm sorry John, (snootily) that you're too limited to see".

Ben's not sorry at all, he's glad as hell. With Locke unable to see or hear Jacob Ben maintains control over his people AND he fulfills Jacob's orders to bring Locke to see him (if a bit early). He's in the clear on both counts.

What happens next is Jacob gets pissed. Forget Locke's flashlight, Jacob is angry with Ben's complete lack of progress. It is at this point that Jacob abandons Ben. The transition occurs here. This is when he speaks to Locke, and for the first time Locke can hear him. For the first time, Ben cannot.

After tossing stuff around the cabin, Jacob suddenly becomes visible to Locke (yes I missed it too the first time around). And if you watch Ben's reaction, I think Jacob actually disappears out of the chair to him. Ben's expression makes me think he just saw Jacob for the last time - at least while Locke is still alive - and I think Ben knows it.

Okay, now here's my Jacob theory: Jacob is trapped in time. Something happened with the island phasing in and out, maybe the sky turned purple, the monkeys threw poo... who the hell knows at this point. Whatever happened, Jacob is stuck in a Langolier-type limbo that he can't escape from. A hellish, Jaunt-like, endless eternity. Maybe Jacob IS the island. Maybe Jacob IS the smoke monster. I'm not sure of that stuff, but one thing is for certain: Jacob needs help. Jacob is LOST. Hell, Jacob may be the reason that LOST is called LOST.

Relying on Ben all this time has gotten him nowhere, so Jacob now speaks to Locke. Ben's gamble that Locke wasn't special enough has failed. With nothing else to do, he steals Locke's gun and tries to off him (I think Jacob will save him of course). Alex knew Ben might do this, which is why she armed Locke in the first place. And I have to say... I'm a bit disappointed in knife-throwing island-gear dynamite Locke. After all the times he was chumped, I thought he'd be smarter than that.


Two More Things
First, watch the Jacob scene again in slow motion and you'll pick up on something. The lantern Ben placed on the table smashes to the floor, throwing fire everywhere. Locke's looking right at it. We see a few frames of the firelight glinting off Locke's face, and then suddenly - BAM! The next frame shows a firelight-free Locke in a slightly different position with a disbelieving look on his face. And after he bolts the cabin, guess what? Ben walks out with the lantern INTACT.

You can't chalk this up to sloppy editing. I think something happened here, timewise. I think Jacob's rage might've caused a hiccup in time. Maybe leaping back five seconds or so, to before the lantern broke. I wouldn't be surprised to see all the jars of red liquid intact on the shelf just before Locke left, despite the fact Jacob threw one across the room.

The second thing, of course, is Jacob himself. I've seen the screencaps and I have to side with team Locke. The nose is 90% right, but the forehead is dead on. The rest of the facial characteristics fit him too. Could Jacob be another version of Locke, trapped in time, maybe because of something that happened (the hatch implosion), or maybe because of something that's going to happen (series finale?) in the future? Dunno for sure, but I'll say this: the exact same thing happened on Land of the Lost, episode 'Elsewhen'. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


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Past tense "loved." Does this mean Jacob is some kind of spirit?

Also one thing that bothers me is the punctured lung heals in a day but in the first or second episode the martial who had Kate under arrest was hurt for a day or 3 without getting any better. Also the pilot up in the tree, or someone up in a tree seemed pretty bad off still. Why do they not get heeled?

rJ_

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If this explains it then how does Mikail know that Naomi's injuries will heal quick without knowing her. Using your rationale he must know her.

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no i disagree. maybe mikhail realizes from seeing her injury only someone who would/could be healed by the islands powers would still be alive. in the end there has to be a reason why some people are more in tune with the islands powers than others, i.e. at some point ben tells locke that his presence helped him to start walking again after his back surgery. another way you could maybe look at it is that the island picks up on who is 'good' and who is 'bad' and only the 'good' people are able to harness the powers of the island. i remember a long stretch of episodes in season 2 where the difference between 'good' and 'bad' members of the plane crash was discussed and it could be the answer to that question.

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I found an interesting recap by vozzek here that I have posted(partially) below. After reading this I did think of something else. Maybe Ben let walt and michael go because walt was 'special' just like ben is special and now locke. Perhaps Ben is not wanting one of these other special people to take his place as the one.

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Wow, I really like this line of thought.

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I've also recently been entertaining the idea that Ben let Michael leave with Walt specifically because Walt was a threat.

It would perfectly suit his M.O.:

1.) He wants Walt off the island in the first place
2.) Realizing that Michael also wants this (badly), he tells him he will let them leave if Michael does X for him.
3.) This way he has Michael working for him for the "privilege" of attaining something Ben wants to give him anyway.

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And now, a lot of semi-coherent and purely speculative LOST rambling from GrandmaStabone:


I think all of this has been covered at some point in the thread (great discussion this week guys), but nevertheless here are some things on my mind:

- Richard seemed very interested when young Ben told him that he had seen his dead mother. I'm thinking that "Jacob" is the deceased leader of The Others, and as such they were without his counsel for a period of time and found new hope in Ben.

Otherwise, what reason would they have to take orders from him? It would be one thing to let him live for his part in the uprising against Dharma, but to subsequently appoint him leader suggests a deeper importance.

Going further out on the limb here - but IMO at some point Ben stopped relaying accurate messages from Jacob. The line of 'ash' (if that's what it is) is Ben's means of keeping Jacob contained, and the orders he has been handing down from him have over time become less and less representative of Jacob's actual wishes.

I think (as has been pointed out) that Locke will use this information to instigate The Others against Ben; BUT - I think it is fairly likely (if I am anywhere close to on track here) that after a time Locke will find that Ben had been containing Jacob for altruistic reasons (ie - Jacob is 'evil'), and Locke will end up regretting his decisions relating to Ben (possibly much later in the series).

- Who else has seen dead people on the island? Jack saw his father, Ecko his brother, etc. If Ben was a rare asset because of this ability, then the number of Losties displaying the same thing shoots holes in my theory somewhat. The 'list' has to tie into this train of thought somewhere

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If anyone dies, I think it'll be because of Rousseau. She has the dynamite because she wants to attack the others because of Alex.

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Seriously, wtf dos Rousseau do all day. She just chills by herself I guess, setting traps. She must be using all that time to plan SOMETHING.

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This interview with Michael Emerson (Ben) from this week sheds a bit of light on a big question from last week's episode. I would say more about it but I don't want to ruin anything for someone who doesn't want to know. SPOILER WARNING

I was disappointed with his answer [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

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This interview with Michael Emerson (Ben) from this week sheds a bit of light on a big question from last week's episode. I would say more about it but I don't want to ruin anything for someone who doesn't want to know. SPOILER WARNING

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In case anyone is worried, this isn't really *that* much of a spoiler, though it does give a pretty big hint. It's from some morning show though, so you know no one's giving away anything too big.

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That lady is so dumb.


"I watch the show religiously"

lol

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This interview with Michael Emerson (Ben) from this week sheds a bit of light on a big question from last week's episode. I would say more about it but I don't want to ruin anything for someone who doesn't want to know. SPOILER WARNING

I was disappointed with his answer [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

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lol his answers are so awesome "So Locke was shot, is he dead?" "Well... I can tell you that he is hurt pretty bad"

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"Rousseau. She has the dynamite because she wants to attack the others because of Alex."

Dynamite has gunpowder in? Or similar powder? Possible connection with the powder (pos volcanic ash) around Jacob's hut?

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"Rousseau. She has the dynamite because she wants to attack the others because of Alex."

Dynamite has gunpowder in? Or similar powder? Possible connection with the powder (pos volcanic ash) around Jacob's hut?

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dynamite is a nytroglycerine based explosive, so no gunpowder is involved. as we learned at the end of season one, old dynamite can be quite volatile.

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Its monday so normally i'd be pretty psyched for Heroes tonight..but all I can think is
its only 2 more days till LOST is back on!

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What if Ben really is the father of Alex. Rousseau may be Annie in deep cover. She has never been in a scene with an other. She's the one who discovered henry gale and lit the fire with the black smoke to try and steal Claire's baby. Just a theory of course, just don't know why she would then try to rescue Claire.

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heroes sucks

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Locke will become paralyzed again thoughts?

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Probably a crazy thought,(and sorry if this was talked about before) but what if Jacob has the power to heal people on the island? Maybe Ben did something he didn't approve of, so decided to give him cancer. Then, when Ben told him he would be able to bring Locke to him (who, Jacob already healed), he decided to help Ben be able to walk, and be healed from the surgery.

Maybe he kills all the pregnant mothers on the island because he doesn't see a need for them? Since, for some reason, the others don't age (atleast Richard doesnt) he doesn't want to many people living on the island, because then there is a chance he gets overthrown or something like that.

Alright, I rambled. Wednesday come now please kthx.

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Nope.
At worst he'll be out of commision till next season...and we'll be left hanging on what happens with him.
But you have to figure the island will heal him esp after it basically asked him for help.

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What if Ben really is the father of Alex. Rousseau may be Annie in deep cover. She has never been in a scene with an other. She's the one who discovered henry gale and lit the fire with the black smoke to try and steal Claire's baby. Just a theory of course, just don't know why she would then try to rescue Claire.

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I like this in theory. It always has seemed convienient that Rousseau apparently goes years at a time undetected, and then she just happens to capture the leader of the Others, who by-the-way was trying to infiltrate the Losties?

Probably isn't what happened, but it's potentially a plausible twist.

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Are we just deciding that Rousseau changed her name from Annie to Danielle and developed a french accent?

I always assumed that she was born and raised in France due to the distress signal in season 1 being in french.

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Not that I necessarily agree with the Rousseau = Annie theory, but a few things to consider:

- Her 'French' accent is not very good (it is actually Croatian), and we have not once heard her speak French.

- She could be pulling a 'Henry Gale', posing as somebody that actually did crash on the island but is already dead.

- She was directly responsible for implanting Ben into the 815 group.

Not very likely that these things actually mean anything, but I just like to look at things from all angles.

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For some reason I had not considered that Rousseau could be another Henry Gale, I like that theory.
Roll on the Rousseau flashback episode.

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plausible about rousseau, but consider a) how she wept like a babe when Sayid fixed that music box. when she said b) my husband didn't know the safety was broken either when i shot him c) she would have had to just stay in hiding down in her hole for 16+ years considering Alex's reaction to Sayid's comment about looking like her mother. Seems like there is absolutely no reason to hide Rousseau away that long. Send her down there to work a 2 decade deep cover op just in case someone else happens upon the island? They'd have to do A LOT to really make that storyline jive, and I don't really buy it. Also, she takes the losties to the black rock the first time, and then goes and gets dynamite while watching Locke obviously up to no good in there and just turns around and leaves. I dunno, sometimes people just are what they are, even on LOST.

James

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Not that I necessarily agree with the Rousseau = Annie theory, but a few things to consider:

- Her 'French' accent is not very good (it is actually Croatian), and we have not once heard her speak French.

- She could be pulling a 'Henry Gale', posing as somebody that actually did crash on the island but is already dead.

- She was directly responsible for implanting Ben into the 815 group.

Not very likely that these things actually mean anything, but I just like to look at things from all angles.

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When I first heard this theory, I immediately dismissed it. Now I'm not so sure. It may not be likely, but it sure seems possible. It's that last point that really made me reconsider it.

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Not that I necessarily agree with the Rousseau = Annie theory, but a few things to consider:

- Her 'French' accent is not very good (it is actually Croatian), and we have not once heard her speak French.

- She could be pulling a 'Henry Gale', posing as somebody that actually did crash on the island but is already dead.

- She was directly responsible for implanting Ben into the 815 group.

Not very likely that these things actually mean anything, but I just like to look at things from all angles.

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When I first heard this theory, I immediately dismissed it. Now I'm not so sure. It may not be likely, but it sure seems possible. It's that last point that really made me reconsider it.

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Rousseau may not be who she says she is, but she can't be working with the others. In the process of that last point, she shot Ben through the chest with a crossbow. Even if he knows the island will heal him (which he doesn't considering he has cancer at this point), I doubt he'd agree to that.

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omg GSB, start the new thread. i am already excited! and no i did not read the massive spoilers.

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One thing that I don't think has been touched on is the significance of Ben's mother dying at his birth and the women on the island dying at birth as well. Perhaps this is related in some way?

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Wow, that is incredibly insightful.