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during the team stages i was 100% behind james but as the season progressed i started to lose faith in him more and more to the point that i'm not even really disappointed that he's gone now. i mean all the hype and he didn't even win 1 immunity and he was just so cocky and his speeches about "the fruit" and all that were just so idiotic. anyone who can think and rationalize should have known that this and next week were the absolute last weeks they could vote him off because if they don't do it now then he can coast to final 3 by using the idols at 5 and 4 people so it was HIGHLY likely that if they were to backstab him that there'd be a greater chance of doing that at 7 and 6 people esp. since people still considering him such a strong threat so i think he should have definitely have used one this week just because it was 1 of the 2 weeks where the backstab would be perfect

and what about denise, what a fat worthless pile of garbage, all this time whining about how she feels she's at the bottom and all that stuff about loyalty and how she has felt that james is here ally then she insta turns on him with zero though, lol

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huge mistake. if he had spent even five seconds thinking on the second level, he would've known to play one idol tonight. not only was it the perfect time for them to blindside him, but he has two idols and three(?) opportunities left to use them, so if he wins an individual immunity, one idol could go to waste.

this shows yau to be like a 5x better player than james, since he was able to use the idol properly even when it was a WAY tougher call.

one of the best ep's of survivor ever though for me, one of those rare times when you really don't know what will happen

pei-geih is such an underrated player. she has been making the optimal move for about six episodes now. she was by far the most convincing liar at tribal council - although i think it's debatable what was better for her, james to use the idol, or not. i wonder who eric voted for...

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Eric voted for james. Otherwise thay would have read his vote (all the unread votes are always against the person voted out). He said that it was a big risk to vote against Todd, but I don't see why. It seems like a no brainer to me (does he this Todd will turn on him or something?)

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I don't feel bad for James. Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me:

Now, Todd and Amanda are sure to clash, as Todd doesn't like anyione but him being percieved as being in control of the game.

I must add this was a bold move by Amanda. She's more than a pretty face.

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james had zero chance of winning at the end anyway.

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The black man gets screwed again.

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huge mistake. if he had spent even five seconds thinking on the second level, he would've known to play one idol tonight. not only was it the perfect time for them to blindside him, but he has two idols and three(?) opportunities left to use them, so if he wins an individual immunity, one idol could go to waste.

this shows yau to be like a 5x better player than james, since he was able to use the idol properly even when it was a WAY tougher call.

one of the best ep's of survivor ever though for me, one of those rare times when you really don't know what will happen

pei-geih is such an underrated player. she has been making the optimal move for about six episodes now. she was by far the most convincing liar at tribal council - although i think it's debatable what was better for her, james to use the idol, or not. i wonder who eric voted for...

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Eric voted for james. Otherwise thay would have read his vote (all the unread votes are always against the person voted out). He said that it was a big risk to vote against Todd, but I don't see why. It seems like a no brainer to me (does he this Todd will turn on him or something?)

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I can't believe Eric wouldn't vote for Todd. I can see no downside. He is seriously worried about pissing Todd off like he isn't next to go anyways?\


lol @ the jury laughing at Jame's naivety/stupidity.

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i think james had a lot of respect, and would have won if he made it to the final two. also, he was more than capable of winning however many challenges he needed to in order to get there.

i'm sad to see him go, and am not really rooting for anyone as of now. i DONT want to see PG, todd, or amanda win as of right now. i guess i'm rooting for denise (lol)

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Even the players were laughing at him like he was stupid. I would like to know if he got pissed at all when they blindsided him...I wonder if he caused a scene that they edited out b/c he seems like the type of person who could explode.

Amazing he didn't play it though, it looked like he was going to reach down and grab one too when he turned his head to look at the bag. Even if it turned out to be a waste there are only a few challenges left and he would be in great shape if he could win 2 of them. Oh well I guess...I just want to see Todd get booted and Amanda joining him shortly after.

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totally, i wonder if they had security there just in case to make sure "Survivor Contestant's neck broken" didnt make the morning headlines.

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He screwed himself by not using one of his idols! What an idiot! James dug his own grave.

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If James used one tonight he would've been in the clear I think. I doubt they would repeatedly go after him knowing that he is on to them.

I really wish he would've stuck around. I guess I'm rooting for Eric now.

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just watched on the dvr and i can barely type im so mad at the world at how much of a screw up james was tonight.

the "second level thinking" comment above is so damn true. how could james NOT strategize ever the entire show. even erik, who has strategized never is more of a thinker than james.

james, prior to going on the show, must have watched season one on dvd and been like "oh look at that, they vote tribal lines all the way down after the merge. i get survivor strategy now. what shall i do with my millions?!?" i mean seriously, TWO IDOLS!!! if he only had one i could see him "rolling the dice" as he said because he might feel safe enough with still a few tribals to go.

still furious. i need somebody to tell me they punched a wall or something so i dont feel as bad. i really dont know why i care that this random gravedigger screwed up so bad but i liked him. he was hard working, challenge beastly (until recently) and honest/funny. he just did not know the meaning of the word strategy.

the final 10 minutes of the show were (for me, a fan of james...although i dont know why) like watching your sports team losing in the final minutes of a playoff game when all year they were flawless and seemed destined to win it all (hopefully the pats this year i hate them so much). or like unc last year in the tourney. how the frick did georgetown win that game?!?!

while i bet a lot of reactions of others are staged/reshot or pulled from different reactions, i bet all those reactions shots to his stupidity were 100% authentic.

also, if erik were a strategist, or even pg...they should gone to james. get on james' good side, eliminate an idol (pg doesnt even know there are 2 i dont think), eliminate a mastermind in todd (wrong word, moreso above average strategist), etc, etc. i havent watched many seasons but how can people not think?????????????? at all.

pg actually is the best strategist and thats not saying much. i hope all these people are really good at some obscure talent that makes them money cuz for the most part they suck at life.

also, james should sell the idols on ebay. if he gets 1/2 mil+ for each, i will call him the smartest man in the world.

also, if todd were smart, he would have still voted for pg. 7 votes. james and him for pg, denise/amanda/courtney for james, pg/erik max for todd, maybe james (like erik did).

i think in conclusion, i hope all dumb people die slow and painful deaths with no joy in their lives whatsoever.

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yea, as i said james [censored] up

i also think pg could have played this a different way that might have been better for her. after her conversation with amanda, she basically knew that james was gonna be blindsided, therefore i think if she woulda warned james then he uses his idol and they get rid of todd, pg would have accomplished a ton. 1 idol would be gone, james would 100% now be against his former tribe and would side with pg and eric and going into the final 6 it would be her, eric and james vs. courtney, amanda, denise who are the extreme weak link in challenges. the major part in this would have been her and james overcoming their hate, but pg has been trying to pull in james for a while now and keep your enemies closer and all that and if she would have really sat him down and sincerely just told her to trust her and james could have still had a second idol even if it turned out he wasn't being backstabbed, pg could have set herself up very well for the final 6.

and yea, how does todd not go ahead and vote for pg as well as backup just in case james plays the idol.

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PG completely messed up by not going to James as mentioned above. Can't believe she's so stupid as well. And why was Amanda telling her in the first place? Also retarded.

But yeah, James wins retard of the century for not playing an idol.

It makes you mad to watch the lack of thought by 95% of survivors, but as someone was saying at the beginning of the thread, they choose most of the people based on lack of intelligence or else the show would be very boring and everyone would be non-confrontational.

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Pretty ridiculous. I have to root for amanda now, but PG blundered her way into a ridiculous position and squandered it.

If she tells James and gets him to play an idol to save himself, she gets rid of Todd and eliminates one of James' idols in addition to earning his allegiance.

However, these kinds of risky moves sometimes backfire, and just staying out of the fray isn't such a bad move. I think the last 3-4 episodes have been super +++EV for Erik, he might just win this thing.

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He should've auctioned off his idols to the other players, like say if they go on to win, they give him 10k.

Yeah sucks, I lost 100 on him, he wasn't one of those arrogant black guys on the previous seasons, and had the strength to win each challenge. Also he seemed like he knew what he was doing, besides not using the idols. My pick now is probably going to be Amanda, cause shes in a good spot with everyone.

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He screwed himself by not using one of his idols! What an idiot! James dug his own grave.

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LOL....how ironic

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I can't beleive he didn't play the idol. He smelled the fishiness of the situation but didn't pull the trigger.

He was like a noob poker player holding a straight.... with 5 diamonds on the board.

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yes, now that i've thought about it, i agree pg should have told james beforehand. she should've encouraged him to keep quiet and play the idol. she could even say it's okay for james to still vote for her. explain the entire situation to him step by step. it is a risky plan mainly because (a) james might do anything at that point, including spewing pg's claim to the rest of the tribe and (b) she didn't know for sure eric would vote todd also. in a tiebreak situation pg has more votes than todd (right?) so she would be out if those rules still apply. she took the safe/survival route instead of doing some heavy lifting.

also, let's say todd got voted out. so now maybe pg has james on her side in a 3 vs. 3 situation. so what? james still has an immunity idol and will be hard to eliminate. her odds to win are still quite low, if james is in the game. pg can't beat anyone at the end though, so maybe this factor is moot.

at this point pg needs to swing denise. denise can beat pg or eric in the final two/three. but if she stays with her old tribe, she never makes it that far.

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You guys are forgetting how much James absolutely hates PG. There's no doubt in my mind he would've went to Todd and Amanda and PG would've been gone. JRB tried the same thing with James and he was moved way up on the chopping block.

The only way that it might've worked is if Eric warned him about it right before tribal. Of course, I think Eric, the virgin, has a crush on Amanda and is hopelessly praying that he somehow works his way into that alliance rather than going with an outcast alliance.

I still think James should've secretly given one of the idols to somebody else in his alliance at the merge. He gains the trust of someone and will know exactly when to play the idol if his alliance turns on him.

Boo to the producers for not having at least one pure strength challenge or one where you at least have to run a little bit. They knew James would win it and thus produce less drama. I guarantee you next week they'll be some type of obstacle course.

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They're not allowed to negotiate prize money, it's one of the rules of survivor.

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You guys are forgetting how much James absolutely hates PG. There's no doubt in my mind he would've went to Todd and Amanda and PG would've been gone. JRB tried the same thing with James and he was moved way up on the chopping block.

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Absoultely spot on. If PG tells James, he thinks she is just trying to play him. He would tell his alliance and they would call off the plan and dump PG.

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Yeah PG is short stacked. She's just trying to make it from week to weak. She can't afford to shove it all in with like KJ offsuit like a newb. She put all her money in with kj is that how she plays?

The game is different without James, that puts her on an equal playing field with everyone else since they'll be on edge.

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Yeah PG is short stacked. She's just trying to make it from week to weak. She can't afford to shove it all in with like KJ offsuit like a newb. She put all her money in with kj is that how she plays?

The game is different without James, that puts her on an equal playing field with everyone else since they'll be on edge.

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The world would be a better place if nobody ever used a poker analogy again.

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Damn. To KKF and everybody who thinks James wouldn't have been able to win at the end, I think he had a great chance of winning if he made it to jury vote. Amanda said as much, she said something like "everyone knows he would deserve the million, he works hardest, is crazy at challenges, has both immunity idols, etc..." Sure, I know in a survivor jury vote that "Deserve's got nothin to do with it," but I do think that he had a bunch of people in his corner.

James blew it, and he summed it up in his sayonara speech: "I just tried to roll the dice too many times." He got greedy. Yeah, maybe PG should have tried to triple cross them and tell James about the blindside, but bottom line I think she hates James and was psyched to beat him.

I'm surprised, but when they show Courtney from the neck up I think she's pretty.

Also James had an incredibly girly first throw. Sigh, where was Green Mile James that zinged his slinghot at the speed of sound? Pfft.

that was definitely Amanda's best episode of the season. I don't really like her but I can't figure why I don't; she is definitely playing a better game lately than I gave her credit for. Oh well, at least season four of the Wire gets put out on Netflix in a few days.

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yeah, I admit I thought that too. But I read a few seasons ago when some producer said they have everything determined before the season starts and can't manipulate it. Actually I think they're still overreacting to when Ozzy was such a challenge monster. Also, all the knucklehead strategy this season has just made me miss Yau-Man...I still think Dreamz screwing over Yau was the most riveting thing to ever happen on this show (and haha I'm still pretty indignant about it too).

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I'm late to the party so not much to add except that throughout the thread I've agreed with wisehand's thoughts, and I like keepitreal's passion.

James reminds me of an episode I saw of Survivorman, when Les said if you're stranded in a the desert, drink your damn water! They regularly find people who die from exposure and dehydration with half-filled canteens lying next to them because they were hoarding it.

Of course, had he been following my advice he would have used them already, but better to waste it to ensure you stay in the game than waste it and gain nothing. Besides, who woulda thunk he'd go 0-fer?

I think James had an excellent chance to win if he made it to the top two or three. A few might have resented his early domination, but I think most would applaud it--especially since he was also the hardest worker around camp.

And anybody using poker analogies should get a tempban.

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James' slowplay allowed his opponents to hit their draws... terrible move.

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It's very easy now after watching the show to blame James but in all honesty even a blind bat would've known to use the idol tonight. Like seriously, James was such a terrible player strategy wise. There were only 7 players left and since he couldn't use the idol when it's final 4 means he only had to win 1 more immunity challenge out of 3. He had two idols ffs.

James sealed his own grave when he decided to keep both idols very early in the game. He should've gave at least one to Todd. Why he didn't do this is beyond me. It could've cemented his alliance with Todd instead it left Todd with ill feelings towards him. IMO James played the game by himself even turning on his closest alliance JRB and Denise by not allowing them in the loop.

James got what he deserved, I thought he played terribly. How he expected to hold 2 immunity idols and still fly under the radar is beyond me.