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Tuff still didnt address the issue that WSEX is already VERY VERY close to what he proposes and is the rockiest site around, it also has bot problems. I dont think tuff has a strong enough understanding of how things work to be the brainchild of attempting such an undertaking.

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WSEX was/is not even close to what I have in mind. Not to beat a dead horse that has been flayed incessantly, but WSEX has a rake redistribution model, not a zero rake model. That is a model tailor made for nittiness.


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It's effectively the same thing, no rake and rake redistribution target the same customers.

You arent going to be able to change the deposit situation either, rake or no rake isnt going to make a difference so its not going to be easier to get money on than it will be for any other site. And LOL at bringing up the site software issue, do you have any idea how hard it is to roll out quality software even for sites that DO have rake? Your crusadea against multitabling is very troubling, your general stance does more to hurt online poker than help it.

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If you make a poker site with fish... I will play there. Thanks. Please make that [censored] happen. I like money.

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I don't no why people are harping on you about the one player pre table thing.Pacific Poker had the one table pre player rule and it was the loosest site back in the day the avg pots were 2-4x most sites.I think the reason that it was so loose was mostly dew to this rule.

Whats the big deal anyway all you have to do is kick up a bunch of tables at stars, tilt or wherever at the same time if you want to play more then one table.

Tuff if you can get a site like this up and running I would play there and if the site had good games so would most of the people ripping on you.

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Tuff if you can get a site like this up and running I would play there and if the site had good games so would most of the people ripping on you.

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Tuff_Fish, I just bumped the SW forum thread for you.

Get some C++ programmers on board, and get this going [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Forget multi-table limitations, just implement a short timebank structure for those on >1 table.

Best of luck,

dave.

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Forget multi-table limitations, just implement a short timebank structure for those on >1 table.

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Yep, the multi-table limit is just gonna kill this, but you could still possibly have some kind of timeback that is shared between tables so as to let the slow 1-tabling fish and fast 6-tabling sharks have the same right to hold the games up.

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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make only winning players use a percentage of their profit in your online wholesale store. people would rather obtain goods than pay rake

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lol, do you seriously think because there is no rake that the government wont consider it illegal?

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As mentioned previously, many states explicitly allow citizens to play unraked poker in their homes. Also as mentioned previously federal law does not regulate poker in any way.

If a non-profit was able to get up and running offering rake free games to members in states where it's explicitly legal, the fed might still come after you one way or another, but it seems to my untrained eye that you would at least have a very strong case in court.

Obviously you'd have to be prepared for an expensive legal battle.

It would be far from easy and quick to pull this together, but I think it could work. If nothing else it would serve as a wedge to drive our legal points and it would help organize the community in resistance to prohibition.

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this is a good idea but who will come up with the money for the site they wont do it for free good thread but not reality

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We had/have this site. It was called WSEX. It's a site attached to a sportsbook, with no rake (yes yes blah blah blah contributed is different, who cares; certainly the fish don't know the difference), no hand histories to speak of, and also nobody playing on it. Except for that bot ring, which, hilariously, turned out to be the sole thing keeping the games running in the first place.

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WPEX was initially successful in drawing crowds, fish galore, with it's 100% rakeback. The site was overwhelmed with traffic, exposing numerous severe software and server flaws and weaknesses, to the point that playing there was a nightmare. The blind bug let people flat out cheat, the software would fold your hand, even if you had a legitimiate disconnect, hand history delivery was pathetic, etc, ....

We will never know what would have happened if WPEX had been prepared with good software and hardware from the beginning, but I am sure they wouldn't be dead now.