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why didn't Erik, PG, and ole dude that got kicked off vote for the same person and try to sway someone to vote with them?

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You're right, the way alliances usually collapse is when enough people on the bottom of the totem pole see that they're all on the bottom and they form an ad hoc alliance of doormats. I think it didn't happen tonight because Frosti thought he was in a better spot than he actually was. Too bad for him, because Courtney seemed swingable.

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...and goofy unforeseen rules changes aside, it's still kinda hard for me to see how James isn't like a 1:1 favorite to win it all at this point. There are four or at most five immunity challenges left, he's got two immunity idols, and his biggest (by far) physical competition just got voted out. I think in a jury vote he only really needs to worry about Todd (brawns vs brains argument), and maybe a little bit Eric (alligator blood argument, can cite his virginity as evidence), and lastly Denise (James fatigue + mullet sympathy?).

I guess the likeliest seismic shift is maybe Todd/Amanda banding with PeeGee/Eric and trying to get James out, but imo they'd still be fighting the math. They really blew it not blindsiding James last week.

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The worst episode of the season... pretty boring.

That aside, they are all retarded for not scheming to get James out at any chance.

I'd imagine it's another vote. If they're smart they'd vote for James who wouldn't see it coming, but they're all retarded so they'll all probably just vote for Erik.

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anybody else think amanda shoulda been mildly upset nobody else helped her try to prevent the "enemy" from winning immunity.

i realize they would have somebody to vote for of the 3 (pg/erik/frosti) but why give them all a better chance to survive. u run a risk that frosti goes on a sick immunity run (he has proven to be a well rounded baller in challenges).



i agree it was a bad episode.

if it is another vote...i assume they wont be able to scheme and wont know to vote out james (but lets hope he has his III's).

erik did mention having 12 days left. if its on a 3 day cycle, that would mean after next tribal, we'd have 9 days left with 6 people left...so 6 days, 5 people...3 days, 4 people...0 days, 3 people.

so i guess they could have another vote if they are doing a final 2 but i thought it was documented that probst said it was 3 again so maybe its not a vote. i dunno, i havent watched survivor in years so im not in the know.


lastly, AMANDA LOOKED GORGEOUS. a few close ups early on of her talking to courtney she looked like angelina jolie. she's actually a beauty pageant chick and i can see why. smokin hot.

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amanda most likely chose to participate because of the members of the "alliance", she is the only one (well except for courtney but courtney is on the outskirts of that alliance and is a worthless dumbass) that had just come off a reward and had eaten a good meal. none of the other guys had eaten so food was obv a priority over immunity, esp. considering they didn't need to really "block" anyone, pg, erick and frosti were all viable candidates to go. in fact, amanda herself didn't really need to compete either.

the previews for next week showed erick and pg back at camp, considering they are the most obv people to go if they do a second vote right after, I don't think the twist that is about to come is a second vote.

the final is 3 people so yea basically james at the most needs to win 2/4 immunity challenges to be guaranteed final 3. However, like none of the post-merge challenges thus far have been physical at all like in season's past and james has really waned in the individual stages, his luster is really from the group stages and the fact that he does alot around camp, but as far as the post merge challenges they haven't really played to his strengths and he hasn't really done much at all. If we look at just the individual game w/o considering the group stages, i don't really think james is the favorite if we're voting on merit considering he hasn't really had to do much of anything.

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yeah I agree amanda is pretty hot, though it's been a really weak season for hot chicks imo. And although PeeGee isn't an OOT 9 or anything I still don't think I've been giving her enough credit, she's cute and fit.

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yeah I agree amanda is pretty hot, though it's been a really weak season for hot chicks imo. And although PeeGee isn't an OOT 9 or anything I still don't think I've been giving her enough credit, she's cute and fit.

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pg looks like this annoying girl from my high school so i just get angry every time i see her so im biased.


peg, i know what you're saying with the immunity combined with hunger but i guess its just the principle of the thing. even if i was hungry, i'd feel obligated to play. i guess i was just shocked so many people opted for food. i'd be thinking about just trying to win the million and that would involve giving 100% at all times. essentially, if i were voting, that move would help amanda tremendously. plus if i voted for her maybe she'd sleep with me.

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I agree that they've missed a chance to form an "alliance of doormats." Any week that James doesn't win is a chance to get that ball rolling. Denise probably summed it up, however, when she said it's tough not to stick close to the idol.

*Sigh* Maybe it's easy to be extra hard on these people from the couch, knowing that 72 hours is edited down to 48 minutes, but jayzuz are these people stupid.

Last week I concluded that James is the second-dumbest person in Survivor history for being one of the biggest physical threats ever to play the game--holding TWO IIIs--and not playing one every time he doesn't win.

Tied for dumbest contestant is the seven people who didn't unanimously vote for him every time he failed to win.

Then they compound their stupidity by all going for the cheeseburgers rather than participate in the challenge. Do they realize that $1MM is on the line? And Courtney, who looks like she hasn't had two square meals in the past three years, jumps at the chance to have another "feast" just one or two days after her last one? Amanda should be pissed that she was left to fly the team colors alone.

Minor spoiler re: the twist based on previews in white:

<font color="white">Eric, Peig-Gee, Amanda, Todd, and James are all clearly shown around camp, so none of them are voted out. In one very fast cut, it looks like Denise is sitting with them also. Courtney is the only person clearly not in the previews.

And when Todd says "you gotta watch your mouth, dude," it's cut to make it look like he's talking to James. He isn't. James is sitting on a log in the background when he says that. </font>

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im still on tilt for them not trying to get something together for themselves. If PG was on the line I bet she would have tried.

I think they could have gotten any of them except for maybe Amanda (if Todd was their target) and once they get one it would be easier to get another.

Frosti was in the best position to get it done bc he was close to both teams. he could have gotten Courtney or James. Then if they get James he could have gotten Denise to follow and said he was telling her to make up for last week.

edit: James might not switch bc he is secure and may be able to beat Todd with the Jury (but it would be good to get Amanda out). But surely they could get Courtney or Denise after what happened last week

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Last week I concluded that James is the second-dumbest person in Survivor history for being one of the biggest physical threats ever to play the game--holding TWO IIIs--and not playing one every time he doesn't win.

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I strongly disagree. James can't assume to win every immunity challenge (especially considering the the challenges so far after the merge were difficult for him), so in my opinion it would be stupid for him to play the idol when he has good reason to be fairly certain that he's not on the line. It's a tactical decision, and I think James has handled it ok so far. He might be a little too credulous, but imo he hasn't made a glaring mistake with the idols so far.

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No one really likes James. Tod and Amanda want to take him to the final three. They probably want Denise there also because nobody likes her. I think its a good play getting rid of Frosty.

If I got voted off, I would definitely give my vote to Amanda to win for not being cocky and taking the cheese burgers. That was just shoving it in their face.

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Last week I concluded that James is the second-dumbest person in Survivor history for being one of the biggest physical threats ever to play the game--holding TWO IIIs--and not playing one every time he doesn't win.

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I strongly disagree. James can't assume to win every immunity challenge (especially considering the the challenges so far after the merge were difficult for him), so in my opinion it would be stupid for him to play the idol when he has good reason to be fairly certain that he's not on the line. It's a tactical decision, and I think James has handled it ok so far. He might be a little too credulous, but imo he hasn't made a glaring mistake with the idols so far.

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Has Todd asked him for the other idol back yet? Can he give it to someone else as the game goes on?

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fearless prediction time:

the people who decided to eat are up for another vote, one of them is going home

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Has Todd asked him for the other idol back yet?

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Not on camera as far as I have seen, but I guess he probably has since he whined about James not giving the idol back to him to the viewers once. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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fearless prediction time:

the people who decided to eat are up for another vote, one of them is going home

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I love that idea, I hope it's true. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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No idea how you don't do with Frosti first on this. James is strong, this isn't about strong, it's about balance and dexterity, which Frosti has in spades.

The red team was just retarded in the reward challenage. Why the hell would you keep bouncing the ball so high. Also agree with pudley that the setup of the challenage was lame.

wtf @ Frosti thinking that Courtney is out of his league. Maybe if he keeps that 'stache working.

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fearless prediction time:

the people who decided to eat are up for another vote, one of them is going home

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Yep. What was Frosti's last line when he exited?

Jeff: Frosti, the tribe has spoken.
Frosti: With cheesburgers left on their breath!

Everyone with cheesburgers left on their breath will be included in the next vote- James, Denise, Todd, Courtney. Three of them will vote for Courtney and she will be eliminated while Jean Robert cackles in the background.

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I love Jaime so much its absurd.

The challenge was pretty weak...I liked the recommendation that everyone had to touch the ball.

I still think Amanda is a lock to win this thing.

Updated chances of final 3

Amanda: 3:1 (I might make this 1:1 soon, she is absolutely dominating this game in her own way)
Todd: 6:1 (like Amanda but the up front mastermind)
James: 7:1 (had the Idols but he is going to face major heat)
Erik: 9:1 (a bit of a threat that Todd/Amanda won't let get there---might be gone next week)
Denise: 8:1 (doesn't have enough game to get to the end IMO)
Courtney (8:1-she is def. a time-bomb but her lack of a chance in challenges--minus sitting on a log helps her so much)
PG (12:1--her schemes scare Todd/Amanda and she will be dealt with)

My prediction

7. PG
6. Erik
5. James
4. Denise
3. Courtney
2. Todd
1. Amanda

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I love Jaime so much its absurd.

The challenge was pretty weak...I liked the recommendation that everyone had to touch the ball.

I still think Amanda is a lock to win this thing.

Updated chances of final 3

Amanda: 3:1 (I might make this 1:1 soon, she is absolutely dominating this game in her own way)
Todd: 6:1 (like Amanda but the up front mastermind)
James: 7:1 (had the Idols but he is going to face major heat)
Erik: 9:1 (a bit of a threat that Todd/Amanda won't let get there---might be gone next week)
Denise: 8:1 (doesn't have enough game to get to the end IMO)
Courtney (8:1-she is def. a time-bomb but her lack of a chance in challenges--minus sitting on a log helps her so much)
PG (12:1--her schemes scare Todd/Amanda and she will be dealt with)

My prediction

7. PG
6. Erik
5. James
4. Denise
3. Courtney
2. Todd
1. Amanda

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im no odds wizard but those cant be right. Some of those people have to have better chances than that mathematically speaking dont day?

If you were a book you'd be wiped out the first day

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I strongly disagree. James can't assume to win every immunity challenge (especially considering the the challenges so far after the merge were difficult for him), so in my opinion it would be stupid for him to play the idol when he has good reason to be fairly certain that he's not on the line. It's a tactical decision, and I think James has handled it ok so far. He might be a little too credulous, but imo he hasn't made a glaring mistake with the idols so far.

[/ QUOTE ]In the past the physically strong are usually safe pre-merge (unless they're really difficult to deal with) but they have huge targets on their backs post-merge. Since he is so dominating, he should know that his target is ginormous.

The beauty of having two IIIs is that he doesn't have to win every IC; but he probably needs to win all but two. The only time I could see him not using an idol is when his alliance has a slim lead, like a 5-4 or 4-3 advantage. Then he might feel like his teammates wouldn't give up their majority to get rid of him, but last week his tribe was strong enough that they could afford to give up JRB. How do they not take the chance and vote James? Maybe he's unpopular enough that people like Todd and Amanda don't mind if he sticks around till the end.

Hell, if I were Todd, I'd say to Peih-Gee and her crew, "We're sick of JRB so we're giving you guys a pass and voting him out." Then Todd, Amanda, Courtney, Denise, and JRB vote for James while Peih-Gee, Eric, and Frosti (and James) vote for JRB. It's win-win. Either JRB or James goes home and you still don't lose your numerical advantage.

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bobbylight,

no offense dude, but you are bad at math.

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James is strong, this isn't about strong, it's about balance and dexterity, which Frosti has in spades.

[/ QUOTE ]Most challenges are about swimming, speed, strength, balance, and stamina, in no particular order. This year they've toned way down on the swimming because they're not on some pacific island.

The very first challenge they had, when they had to lead the dragons through an obstacle course and the two heads had to do some running and jumping to get a key, blah blah blah... I expected Frosti to make up some time in the solo obstacle course because he talked about being into that stuff. But he barely made up any time at all. James is no lumbering hulk; he's strong and athletic/fast.

To Lebowski: Yes, you can give the III to anyone you like.

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I love Jaime so much its absurd.

The challenge was pretty weak...I liked the recommendation that everyone had to touch the ball.

I still think Amanda is a lock to win this thing.

Updated chances of final 3

Amanda: 3:1 (I might make this 1:1 soon, she is absolutely dominating this game in her own way)
Todd: 6:1 (like Amanda but the up front mastermind)
James: 7:1 (had the Idols but he is going to face major heat)
Erik: 9:1 (a bit of a threat that Todd/Amanda won't let get there---might be gone next week)
Denise: 8:1 (doesn't have enough game to get to the end IMO)
Courtney (8:1-she is def. a time-bomb but her lack of a chance in challenges--minus sitting on a log helps her so much)
PG (12:1--her schemes scare Todd/Amanda and she will be dealt with)

My prediction

7. PG
6. Erik
5. James
4. Denise
3. Courtney
2. Todd
1. Amanda

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My picks (of course we can't predict immunities)

7. PG
6. Eric
5. Todd (James makes this happen)
4. Amanda
3. Courtney
2. Denise
1. James (He's not as dumb as many people think)

I think James will want Courtney in final 3 more than Amanda, as Courtney his ticked some people off.

PS. Voting Frosti off sucked (nice kid) but he or Courtney had to go.

PPS. James is not dumb. He filled himself with burgers, he knew where he was in the vote, as he got no votes, and he did not waste an idol. He is also cool with Todd appearing to be the puppet master.

Another thought - When James gets to the point where he wants to get rid of Todd, he can do so with his own vote and an idol, even if Todd gets a few of them to turn on James, he plays the idol and Todd goes home. After all, James won't need two idols when he gets to the last vote where he can only use one idol. And, he won't have to give Todd the extra idol at that vote if Todd's already gone!!!!

It's probably been edited out, but you can bet Todd has convinced James that he deserves to get the extra idol if they get to a vote where James has two idols left and it's the last vote where idols can be used.

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My prediction

7. PG
6. Erik
5. James
4. Denise
3. Courtney
2. Todd
1. Amanda

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If the rules stay the way they are, then the only way James can be voted out 5th is if he loses all three challenges and also uses up his two immunity idols on the first two...really unlikely. I mean, of course he could also be blindsided, but blindsiding him got a lot harder to do when Todd warned him two weeks ago about a possible scheme and then activated James's spider-sense.

And do you really see Amanda beating Todd in a final vote? Arguments:

Todd: I've controlled the strategy side of this game since the beginning
Amanda: I've, uh, let Todd control all the strategy since the beginning, see I'm super cunning!

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No one really likes James. Tod and Amanda want to take him to the final three. They probably want Denise there also because nobody likes her.

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I dunno, I think Todd has kind of gone the other way and conceded in his mind that James is probably going to be around at the end; I think he did this two weeks ago and that's the big reason he didn't go along with the blindside--he thinks his best chance to win is to ride the James/Amanda alliance and then beat James in a vote.

And you're right, I don't think people really love James, but I also don't think they hate him, and just listening to their comments and watching body language, I think he is the acknowledged favorite/alpha dude right now.

Also, James definitely likes Denise, and she likes him too. A few weeks ago I thought that they would stay loyal to each other the rest of the game; I'm not so sure now, but I definitely think their relationship could end up screwing Amanda in a final four for example.

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As per this thread, I hereby declare that James actually IS more dumb than people think, because nobody really thinks he's dumb.

I was upset at CBS for captioning his jive talk, but then they stopped and I couldn't understand him. I felt so uncultured.

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- I think Denise will make the final three because, simply, she can't possibly convince the jury she deserves their votes. Just nothing there.

- I think Amanda's played the best game by far and she's shown competitive drive. Smart girl. I think she may stage a coup on Todd at some point realizing he'd be tough for her to beat in the vote.

- I can't help but wonder if Eric may move ahead of PG on the chopping block for some of the alliance folks because PG, like Denise, can't possibly win.

Amanda 3-1
James 3-1
Todd 4-1
Eric 7-1 (likability and tedious political connections seem to balance out)
Courtney 8-1
PG and Denise infi

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To me Amanda seems pretty and friendly, but I'm surprised at all the credit she's getting from some of you guys. Just curious, what do you think she's done to deserve to win?

wisehand, I agree with you that her best move might be turning on Todd, and if she wants strength in numbers she could probably get Eric, PG, and Courtney to go along for the ride. And Arctic, I think you're right about all the Idol quid pro quo stuff at the end that could happen with Todd &amp; James, all the more reason for them to get Todd out now.

My guess for final four is the same as Arctic's: 4. Amanda 3. Courtney 2. Denise 1. James

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Why the [censored] are they always blurring out Amanda's ass? [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] I swear to god that puts me on a fit of rage more than anything else. What could possibly be back there that they have to hide? [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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To me Amanda seems pretty and friendly, but I'm surprised at all the credit she's getting from some of you guys. Just curious, what do you think she's done to deserve to win?

wisehand, I agree with you that her best move might be turning on Todd, and if she wants strength in numbers she could probably get Eric, PG, and Courtney to go along for the ride. And Arctic, I think you're right about all the Idol quid pro quo stuff at the end that could happen with Todd &amp; James, all the more reason for them to get Todd out now.

My guess for final four is the same as Arctic's: 4. Amanda 3. Courtney 2. Denise 1. James

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Everyone knows Amanda has been in control or at least in the powerful alliance since day 1 but they haven't even thought about voting her out. She hasn't alienated herself from anybody and seems like everybody on the jury likes her. As on now there's not a final 3 that she wouldn't win against.

James better start playing nice to the remaining survivors. He can't afford to lose any more jury votes.

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set your tivos. Turkey Day episode airs tommorrow.

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set your tivos. Turkey Day episode airs tommorrow.

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as mentioned, its a recap show...but with unaired footage!

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Rip-off recap show

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actually for a recap show I really enjoyed it. There were a lot of unaired footage mixed it. Overall, a pretty enjoyable show.

I still can't get over how beautiful China is. I was pretty bummed out when we found out it wasn't going to be in a tropical location but China instead. But I gotta say, the scenery has been breathtaking. Caught me by surprise.

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f bomb I missed another episode and the guy who usually uploads them on Youtube is on vacation sigh

also wanted to say, it seems like the producers purposely cast less than average intelligence asians onto the show after Yul won.. I couldn't stand Stacy's dumb ass last season. and why can't they cast 1 good looking asian girl per season? is that too much to ask?

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My prediction

7. PG
6. Erik
5. James
4. Denise
3. Courtney
2. Todd
1. Amanda

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If the rules stay the way they are, then the only way James can be voted out 5th is if he loses all three challenges and also uses up his two immunity idols on the first two...really unlikely. I mean, of course he could also be blindsided, but blindsiding him got a lot harder to do when Todd warned him two weeks ago about a possible scheme and then activated James's spider-sense.

And do you really see Amanda beating Todd in a final vote? Arguments:

Todd: I've controlled the strategy side of this game since the beginning
Amanda: I've, uh, let Todd control all the strategy since the beginning, see I'm super cunning!

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Amanda would probably destroy Todd in the final vote. It's happened a lot in past survivors, most notably that Danni chick.

Members of jury: Todd, you backstabbed us and we hate you so we vote Amanda.

The jury doesn't care that Todd controlled the strategy, they just care that he screwed them, so they aren't gonna vote him to 1 million bucks.

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You can watch it at cbs.com

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Actually Todd insisted on some boneheaded moves that Amanda was against, but it's hard to argue on what might have been.

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James sure screwed up.

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Amanda: Great plan, great result, horrible execution. If james plays the idol, she loses her closest ally. All she had to do to protect Todd was convince PG and Eric she could get one more vote and they would have voted for James. Very lucky.

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huge mistake. if he had spent even five seconds thinking on the second level, he would've known to play one idol tonight. not only was it the perfect time for them to blindside him, but he has two idols and three(?) opportunities left to use them, so if he wins an individual immunity, one idol could go to waste.

this shows yau to be like a 5x better player than james, since he was able to use the idol properly even when it was a WAY tougher call.

one of the best ep's of survivor ever though for me, one of those rare times when you really don't know what will happen

pei-geih is such an underrated player. she has been making the optimal move for about six episodes now. she was by far the most convincing liar at tribal council - although i think it's debatable what was better for her, james to use the idol, or not. i wonder who eric voted for...