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blackize 07-12-2007 10:43 PM

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I don't think Collin's book is for $100+ buyin players.

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If it doesn't teach the math behind SNGs and how to apply it then this book won't even help a newb beat the 6.50s in the current state of poker.

recondite7 07-13-2007 12:09 AM

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I don't think Collin's book is for $100+ buyin players.

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Check out some of the topics about playing professionally etc. They are certainly made for $100 + players

derosnec 07-13-2007 11:31 AM

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Say in level 1 (15/30) on Full Tilt you raise to 100 with A K and get called by the cutoff and the big blind. The flop comes 8 6 2, so we have two overs and a backdoor flush draw. We continuation for 240 into 315,

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well there's your first problem

StregaChess 07-13-2007 11:35 AM

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So what if 2p2 published a book on SNGs and the STTF forum universally blasted it as godawful?

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What if the above is true and its a top seller, can you say +EV for the rest of us.

recondite7 07-13-2007 11:50 AM

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So what if 2p2 published a book on SNGs and the STTF forum universally blasted it as godawful?

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What if the above is true and its a top seller, can you say +EV for the rest of us.

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No way this book makes losing players worse. I also doubt it will bring many players to sngs that will be worse than losing the tourney fee which is -EV for us.

citanul 07-13-2007 12:38 PM

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recondite,

while this has nothing to do with this book, adding a whole bunch of people to the mix who are -rake players would, i think at this point, be fantastic for the games.

consider how bad someone would get beat up in the current mid to high stakes games who was told "so you play kinda tight early and push a lot late" but was never given, for instance, any real information on ICM, or hand ranges for the late game. i think a player who just knew "i'm supposed to push" but didn't know what or when really, would get destroyed. (see full tilt pros.)

-rake players are like -9%. that's pretty bad.

suzzer99 07-13-2007 12:45 PM

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Cit, generally the types of players you describe call and shove too wide. So even thought they're getting beat up ROI-wise, they still are very often annoying to play against late.

To compound the problem, they quickly figure out who else is pushbot (me), and call those people extremely wide. And to compound it even further, they figure out who will fold A5o to a shove on the bubble, and shove too wide into those people. Yeah you can adjust a little, or make some spite calls, but there's no magic fix.

They serve as a kind of bubble-equalizer, neutralizing the good players and making the whole bubble more of a crapshoot. I'm pretty sure this is a huge chunk of why I've done so much better since I stopped playing 100 SNGs/day.

People who play too tight on the bubble are sooooooooo much easier to exploit.

StregaChess 07-13-2007 01:07 PM

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So even thought they're getting beat up ROI-wise, they still are very often annoying to play against late.


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LOL, Suzzer please take it back....


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