Re: Kahty Liebert angle me out of the main event....
 

"very very bad?" It is poor etiquette, little more. Do you really think that the button called off a large portion of his chips because KL made him aware of the possibility that the push may be a bluff???

I remind you all that there is a HUGE difference btwn saying, "I think he is bluffing," and "he might be bluffing." The first is an opinion about the hand. The second is meaningless drivel idly designed to merely needle the button's decision making process.

Again, of course she should keep her mouth shut. However, her foul is one of breaking etiquette. It is highly unlikely she effected the outcome of the hand.

Here's a hand:
Limit HE. I flop a set, but the river puts a 4-flush and a 4-str8 on the board. After creating a sizable pot on the turn and deducing that I was undoubtedly ahead, I check this horrible river and my opponent bets. I rhetorically say, "damn it. Does he ever NOT have a club here? I mean EVER?"

Random drunk guy, not in the hand, says, "He's gotta have AT LEAST a club. Or a STR8 at the least."

THAT is what you're not supposed to do. The player was hushed, admonished, and I threw another BB to my aggressive opponent who rivered a Q-high flush.

Re: Kahty Liebert angle me out of the main event....
 

Well, rule 69 for sure. Like I said you can spin it anyway you want, but it's basically understood that you're not allowed to talk/influence the play of a hand while it is in progress. Since Harrah's blows, you won't find a direct rule that will make you happy, but if you search for other casinos tournament rules, I'm sure you'll find one that is so specific that you will agree she broke a rule- maybe not at Harrah's if you want to be a nit about it [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

For the record, however, I think she made the comment because the button was taking too long to decide and she was being sarcastic; that is, a raise, call, call and an all in... "How can it be a steal in a raised four-way pot? Fold already." kind of comment.

Re: Kahty Liebert angle me out of the main event....
 

She does this too often... someone needs to tell her to shut her mouth during hands, and have someone actually enforce the rule.

Re: Kahty Liebert angle me out of the main event....
 

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Well, rule 69 for sure. Like I said you can spin it anyway you want, but it's basically understood that you're not allowed to talk/influence the play of a hand while it is in progress. Since Harrah's blows, you won't find a direct rule that will make you happy, but if you search for other casinos tournament rules, I'm sure you'll find one that is so specific that you will agree she broke a rule- maybe not at Harrah's if you want to be a nit about it [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

For the record, however, I think she made the comment because the button was taking too long to decide and she was being sarcastic; that is, a raise, call, call and an all in... "How can it be a steal in a raised four-way pot? Fold already." kind of comment.

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I saw on TV Layne Flack or someone run a squeeze play with A4s against a raise and 3 callers. One of the callers folded JJ, fearing he was dominated. I think it was with deep money, but Axs is not a bad hand to make the play with if the reraise is essentially a push, since you are 2-1 against anything likely to call except AA.

She may have been making a joke, but it is still in violation of the rules. I kind of agree that it seems unlikely OP was on a straight resteal in this situation.

Also, this is probably a fold with 88, but with pot odds and the fact that 88 is significantly ahead of AKo, it may be close. If you factor in OP was aggressive and could be making a loose reraise, it might be closer. If you are just looking at AK, JJ+, this is a fold, but if OP could have broadway cards, or even Ax or a small pp, then maybe 88 can call. Whether or not KL intended it as a joke, it seems to have caused the guy with 88 to reconsider and decide he had odds to call.

Re: Kahty Liebert angle me out of the main event....
 

Good post. Obviously, one can debate the strategy of the plays. My comment was based on the several times she has been seated at my table. If a different “known player” had made that comment, my opinion would probably have been different. My read of her comment could be wrong, whatever, but either way; she was way out of line.

Re: Kahty Liebert angle me out of the main event....
 

If you had AA here, this thread does not exist, correct?

Re: Kahty Liebert angle me out of the main event....
 

I don't think it matters what happened with the hand - what she did was wrong. It would be one thing if it was some donkey player but this is a recognizable face in the poker world setting an AWFUL example. What she did violates the rules and OP has every right to be upset.

Re: Kahty Liebert angle me out of the main event....
 

I hope this isn't thread jacking but I wonder what you think about this:

I was in an online MTT and there were four of us in a pot. I put a pot sized bet on the flop and a guy that checked to me was in the chat box telling the next guy that I was bluffing. He kept saying bluff bluff bluff. (I was BTW)

I was wanting to tell him to STFU. Was what he did considered ok?

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I hope this isn't thread jacking but I wonder what you think about this:

I was in an online MTT and there were four of us in a pot. I put a pot sized bet on the flop and a guy that checked to me was in the chat box telling the next guy that I was bluffing. He kept saying bluff bluff bluff. (I was BTW)

I was wanting to tell him to STFU. Was what he did considered ok?

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It's not right either way, but if you knew that guy was Allen Cunningham (or any TV pro), it could change that guys decision.

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I don't think it matters what happened with the hand - what she did was wrong. It would be one thing if it was some donkey player but this is a recognizable face in the poker world setting an AWFUL example. What she did violates the rules and OP has every right to be upset.

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You're missing my point. The fact that what I said is probably true means OP is pissed about the outcome, not about the offense.