Re: PokerStars: Allow Datamining
 

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Now, you can't get too much of an advantage from this, because it will only tell you how someone was playing a year ago -- not how they play today.

At the same time, you can use it to catch cheaters -- though there will be an unfortunate 1-year delay.

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And this is what makes it worthless.

Hands from a year ago aren't worth squat for profiling opponents.

Waiting a year to catch bots and cheaters is stupid. This means they have been successfully cheating and cashing out for a year. This means those cheated won't have their funds returned to them. Not to mention that the more sophisticated cheaters are likely to change screen names often enough to avoid detection.

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Datamining is already happening. Anyone who wants to pay a small few has as many hands as they want. Making it legal would just level the playing field and help prevent bots/colluding/ect.

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Either way, if Stars don't want to allow it...I'll continue to pay for it...

Re: PokerStars: Allow Datamining
 

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People saying there wouldn't be benefits to it in instances like this are wrong.

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the ONLY benefit of datamining to the overall game is catching bots and the occasional cheater, which is an incredibly rare instance (not them existing, just them getting caught from a dateminer). And its only a benefit if the site itself isnt actively trying to do the same. Since I have faith in stars, im not worried about it. Stars isnt FPT or AP, its an actually well run company.

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I think that gets at the point

I don't have faith in trusting anyone in the online gaming industry

It probably comes from dealing with some of the casinos and quite a few of the sportsbooks

I admit, pokerrooms have less incentives (their money should be coming from rake and not against the players directly)
However, I view everything in the industry as buyer beware and even pokerstars hasn't convinced me otherwise

Re: PokerStars: Allow Datamining
 

This has to be in the running for the worst thread in the history of 2p2.

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This has to be in the running for the worst thread in the history of 2p2.

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Word. Also, ban the most aggressive, moronic troll ever please.

Re: PokerStars: Allow Datamining
 

i've hardly read this forum since the AP stuff blew up, and it is delightful to see that nothing has changed.

-sethypoo + bobo fett continue to make awesome posts.

-random newbie adamantly argues rubbish and makes a fool of himself

-victor makes one post, and is right

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I have actually been looking at the numbers in PokerTracker and I believe there may be a few bots, once I look more into it I'll post.

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I agree

I HATE datamining (too lazy to do it on my own, so don't want others to have that edge on me)

but I think it shows bots/scandals etc. etc. and is thus overall good for the industry.

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i have basically the same take on this. only difference is that i'm too lazy to datamine and i like that stars that disallows it so i can tell myself that my laziness is actually the moral high road.

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Datamining had NOTHING to do with the disclosure of the scandal.

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LOL I like the fact that you've put in bold the absolutely (pun intended) WORST part of all your posts! In case we miss it no doubt.

It would've been impossible (or just another wild eyed paranoid rant) to establish, without the necessary data and its analysis, that online cheating exists. What you're saying is that data analysis should be done without data -- right?..

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