Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
 

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They're bet river stats for the four players. Proof that they're botting.

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i know, just trying to level, but this thread is not the place to do it

Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
 

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I'd say its over 95% that these guys are bots based on what I've read. The evidence is overwhelming if its accurate.

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I'm 60/40 that they are bots...the post-flop numbers are just too close

the rest makes sense

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I'm 14/7/2.3 that they are bots.

Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
 

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Bet River:

2497/575 = 0.230276332
961/216 = 0.224765869
2403/538 = 0.223886808
1836/411 = 0.223856209


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this part bugs me the most

Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
 

A friend of mine is a journalist on one of denmarks biggest newspapers.... This might hit the poker section on friday.

DAMN this is going to hurt fulltiltpoker

Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
 

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They're bet river stats for the four players. Proof that they're botting.

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i know, just trying to level, but this thread is not the place to do it

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Zing?

Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
 

1) I believe that there are 3 different people, each having their own account.
2) I believe that they often play in the same location, grinding it away.
3) I also believe that most often they play as bots.

Question for Chuck and brandon:

1) Who has expertise in programming?

Here's my guess as to what happened:

- Chuck starts playing poker and becomes a decent player.
- Chuck has a couple of friends that are good programmers.
- Chuck teaches these guys poker and they begin to discuss a way to program a winning bot.
- Their 'think tank' plays a lot together and develops the bot.
- Sometimes they play 'for real' and sometime they play as bots. This is the perfect cover.

Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
 

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1) I believe that there are 3 different people, each having their own account.
2) I believe that they often play in the same location, grinding it away.
3) I also believe that most often they play as bots.

Question for Chuck and brandon:

1) Who has expertise in programming?

Here's my guess as to what happened:

- Chuck starts playing poker and becomes a decent player.
- Chuck has a couple of friends that are good programmers.
- Chuck teaches these guys poker and they begin to discuss a way to program a winning bot.
- Their 'think tank' plays a lot together and develops the bot.
- Sometimes they play 'for real' and sometime they play as bots. This is the perfect cover.

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This seems like a decent explanation.

Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
 

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They're bet river stats for the four players. Proof that they're botting.

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i know, just trying to level, but this thread is not the place to do it

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Zing?

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Still no stats work on the river stuff? You were pretty aggressive in attacking that pre-flop stuff.

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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
 

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I'd say its over 95% that these guys are bots based on what I've read. The evidence is overwhelming if its accurate.

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I'm 60/40 that they are bots...the post-flop numbers are just too close

the rest makes sense

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I'm 14/7/2.3 that they are bots.

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if you were to pole me, i'd say that there would be a 10+ chance of bots

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They're bet river stats for the four players. Proof that they're botting.

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i know, just trying to level, but this thread is not the place to do it

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Zing?

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Still no stats work on the river stuff? You were pretty aggressive in attacking that pre-flop stuff.

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I don't think we need to do any statistical testing on river bet stuff, I think we can all see what it is.

My argument was that river was the most difficult to program, so how come the PF stat differs so much while the river (least susceptible to botting) would be identical? I think it could just as easily be the result of a learned strategy.