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I've been waiting for this thread for almost 2 months.

I've played 10 sessions vs. GRAYCAT and I really think there's a very good chance he's cheating. It's like others have said above me, he plays like he can see people's holecards. In the 1M+ hands I've played online, I've never seen anyone play like GRAYCAT.
The first few sessions he was just the big fish 3betting UTG raisers with J3o in a 150/300 full ring game. And I thought it was funny when I heard he had already won like 60k that day playing that way. But over the next few days/weeks I noticed something wasn't right. I analyzed his stats and all my hands on him and became more convinced that he's cheating.

These are all my hands I have on him. His preflop numbers and his showdown numbers just don't combine like Schneids said. I didn't notice the river AF until now, very interesting. We really should all combine our data like Dan Druff sugested and get a big enough sample to be able to do something about this.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/491/graycatrb9.jpg

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I've been waiting for this thread for almost 2 months.

I've played 10 sessions vs. GRAYCAT and I really think there's a very good chance he's cheating. It's like others have said above me, he plays like he can see people's holecards. In the 1M+ hands I've played online, I've never seen anyone play like GRAYCAT.
The first few sessions he was just the big fish 3betting UTG raisers with J3o in a 150/300 full ring game. And I thought it was funny when I heard he had already won like 60k that day playing that way. But over the next few days/weeks I noticed something wasn't right. I analyzed his stats and all my hands on him and became more convinced that he's cheating.

These are all my hands I have on him. His preflop numbers and his showdown numbers just don't combine like Schneids said. I didn't notice the river AF until now, very interesting. We really should all combine our data like Dan Druff sugested and get a big enough sample to be able to do something about this.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/491/graycatrb9.jpg

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Geffer,

I can't even see his River Agression at 200/400. Is it like higher than 20? 25?

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If I remember correctly it's the symbol for Infinity, but dunno for sure. I'm sure someone else does.

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I can't even see his River Agression at 200/400. Is it like higher than 20? 25?

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it's infinite.

i may be out of line saying this, but i wouldn't be surprised if this player was in some way affiliated with AP.

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To have never called a river bet in 190 hands is pretty hard to do if you're playing honestly.

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A few hands vs GRAYCAT, I have more [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Hand 1:

Absolute Poker 150/300 Hold'em (3 handed) by Hand Converter CG

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Button folds, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: (2 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: (2 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds.

Final Pot: 3 BB

Outcome: Hero wins 3 BB.

Hand 2: <font color="blue">GRAYCAT is BB in this hand. Coldcaps preflop and then check/folds flop. </font>

Absolute Poker 200/400 Hold'em (4 handed) by Hand Converter CG

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls.

Hand 3:

Absolute Poker 200/400 Hold'em (4 handed) by Hand Converter CG

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (2.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds.

Final Pot: 3.25 BB

Hero has 6d Kd (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 3.25 BB.

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i wouldn't be surprised if this player was in some way affiliated with AP.

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This seems like the only possible explanation.

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A few hands vs GRAYCAT, I have more [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Hand 1:

Absolute Poker 150/300 Hold'em (3 handed) by Hand Converter CG

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Button folds, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: (2 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: (2 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds.

Final Pot: 3 BB

Outcome: Hero wins 3 BB.

Hand 2: <font color="blue">GRAYCAT is BB in this hand. Coldcaps preflop and then check/folds flop. </font>

Absolute Poker 200/400 Hold'em (4 handed) by Hand Converter CG

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls.

Hand 3:

Absolute Poker 200/400 Hold'em (4 handed) by Hand Converter CG

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (2.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds.

Final Pot: 3.25 BB

Hero has 6d Kd (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 3.25 BB.

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Wow, this thread is a serious kick int the nuts to all of us non conspiracy theorists. Hand 2 is so insane. For christs sake, when would any player in any game at any stakes coldcap out of the BB and check fold a 225r flop. That doesn't even make sense if he misclicked.

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This is really, really odd. If people want I can make a new PT DB and everyone here can send there AP HHs to me - I can do some very nice statistical analysis of his hands, I'm trained in that area.

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All of the suspicious hands are with "greycat" not steamroller right???