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MuresanForMVP 10-09-2007 07:44 PM

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Also, Hughes has a floor of being a #2 pitcher. That's the worst-case scenario with the kid. His scouting grades look something like:

Fastball (93-95 mph) - 70
Curve - 75
Change - 60 (but improving)

That's insane talent. 75 is a dominant, dominant pitch, and a 70 is well above-average. The only examples of an 80 pitch I can think of are Pedro's changeup, Rick Ankiel's curve, and Bob Feller's fastball. Pitches that are outstanding but not true 80's would be something like Zumaya's fastball, Gagne's (even in his prime) fastball, Peavy's slider, Santana's changeup, and Bonderman's slider.

To get an 80 grade means the pitch is nearly unhittable.

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what would Mo's cutter(in his prime i.e 95MPH) get?

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Probably 75.

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I think a prime Mo cutter would be rated about 50% 75, 50% 80. I also think there are more 80 fastballs than you listed. 80 breaking stuff is pretty much unhittable, but with MLers every fastball is hittable in some respect, so the qualifier that pitch must be unhittable in order to be 80 is wrong IMO when dealing with fastballs. Zumaya has an 80 fastball, Neighborgall when he used to buzz 101 for Ga. Tech with electric movement was an 80 fastball (edit:but it played much lower due to his lack of command), Verlander is close. But I'm just being a nit.

Joba's slider on the "raw" scale would probably be a 70, but his feel for it probably makes it play up to a 75 like Kyle said.

kyleb 10-09-2007 07:47 PM

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Zumaya's fastball is pretty straight. I don't think it grades out at 80.

MuresanForMVP 10-09-2007 07:55 PM

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Possibly, ill try to find something online about it

MuresanForMVP 10-09-2007 08:09 PM

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I found this article that mentions Zumaya's fastball as an 80, Santana's change, and Liriano's slider, but it's not exactly a technical scouting report. It is,however, an article about Jason Neighborgall, and a good one at that. So check it out.

kyleb 10-09-2007 08:19 PM

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I knew I recognized that name - the kid with the golden arm (who can't throw strikes).

g-bebe 10-09-2007 08:24 PM

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Resign Jorge, Mo, A-Rod, Andy.

Deal Giambi.

Rest in offseason/organize pen/rotation.

WS 2008.

onlinebeginner 10-09-2007 09:25 PM

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Andruw jones or tori hunter would be a HUGE mistake... and I think cashman is smart enough to realize this

Which catchers are FA's?

Which CF's are free agents
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I'm sure there is a good website to view this info.. link anyone?

jtg51 10-09-2007 09:29 PM

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Which catchers are FA's?

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No one even worth thinking about.

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I'm sure there is a good website to view this info.. link anyone?

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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/0...lb_free_a.html

onlinebeginner 10-09-2007 09:30 PM

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ZOOOOMMMGGGGG Posada is so old and so obviously took steroids the past two seasons to land a final big money contract.... HE"S SOOOO OOOLLDDDD FOR A CATCHER... NO CATCHER HAS EVER BEEN GOOD AT HIS AGE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... He will be a certain black whole before the end of the decade

onlinebeginner 10-09-2007 09:33 PM

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Sign Rowand and trade matsui or damon for a catcher...


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what catchers would be available for a trade? Even if they threw in a lot of money (paying for the player they traded still) It would still save them money from signing posada to a new deal.. and they would be a better team


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